Netjets Recalls!!!!

[imacdog]

NJA is waiting for the first Challenger 350s to arrive before recalling pilots into that plane. No open FO bids for that plane. Being done as an anti-union tactic.

How's that?

 

[billybob]

Imc,

This is both funny and true, a blessing on your house.

Who wants to kick the dog out of first?

 

[gutshotdraw]

I just trained one of the January 8 at Delta. He was a 2001 hire Gulfstream Capt. He told me that he's making more as an MD-88 F/O than he was as a 13 yr. Gulfstream Capt.

He's a good guy and a friend of mine. Was furloughed from Big D after 9/11 and bypassed recall repeatedly until this go-round. He told me the same thing: More money as a Mad Dog FO than as a G-IV PIC. Sorry to see him go but can't blame him in the slightest.

The brain-drain we will see over the next 18 months is going to hit this company hard. And Jordy is oblivious.

 

[BentOver]

The brain-drain we will see over the next 18 months is going to hit this company hard. And Jordy is oblivious.

Pretty sure the other 2,500 Captains, and FO's, who have years and years of aviation experience will be able to manage.......

Most of the SIC's on property had more experience when hired than most of the Captains when they were hired...

 

[jetlag7]

Pretty sure the other 2,500 Captains, and FO's, who have years and years of aviation experience will be able to manage.......

Most of the SIC's on property had more experience when hired than most of the Captains when they were hired...

Which is why most of the pilots leaving are SIC's.....

 

[G4dude]

He's a good guy and a friend of mine. Was furloughed from Big D after 9/11 and bypassed recall repeatedly until this go-round. He told me the same thing: More money as a Mad Dog FO than as a G-IV PIC. Sorry to see him go but can't blame him in the slightest.

The brain-drain we will see over the next 18 months is going to hit this company hard. And Jordy is oblivious.

I am looking to leave just to get away from the morons in Columbus. Not that my leaving will constitute a "brain drain."

 

[CRAWDADDY]

I am looking to leave just to get away from the morons in Columbus. Not that my leaving will constitute a "brain drain."

You can say that again

 

[B747Flyer]

I am looking to leave just to get away from the morons in Columbus...QUOTE]

That's probably why I won't go back...

 

[pilotyip]

I am looking to leave just to get away from the morons in Columbus. Not that my leaving will constitute a "brain drain."

and you are going to go someplace in aviation where there are no morons? When you get there lets us all know. At lease with NJ morons you get decent pay and QOL, compared to hauling rubber dawg crap out of KYIP in the middle of the night into a dark Mexican airport.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Pretty sure the other 2,500 Captains, and FO's, who have years and years of aviation experience will be able to manage.......

Most of the SIC's on property had more experience when hired than most of the Captains when they were hired...

Pretty sure you missed the point.


Whenever ANY pilot takes their training and experience out the door, it constitutes a "brain-drain." Replacing those skills, ESPECIALLY in this increasingly depleted pilot market, will be a growing challenge to our clueless company leadership.

 

[imacdog]

That's a good point Gut, especially on the big G where its pilots are born, not made.

 

[CA1900]

At lease with NJ morons you get decent pay and QOL...

Not if the current trends continue.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

What do the Mexicans do with all of that rubber dog cr@p?

 

[BentOver]

and you are going to go someplace in aviation where there are no morons? When you get there lets us all know. At lease with NJ morons you get decent pay and QOL, compared to hauling rubber dawg crap out of KYIP in the middle of the night into a dark Mexican airport.

Yawn.........

Professionals don't accept status quo or are satisfied just because they are payed better than guys flying night freight into Mexico. Someone, somewhere has to have the balls to get what they deserve, not what ownership thinks they deserve. You may have not had those balls, thus remained at JUS, but others do. And if NJA doesn't provide a professional career expectation, they will go somewhere that will.

 

[pilotyip]

Yawn.........

Professionals don't accept status quo or are satisfied just because they are payed better than guys flying night freight into Mexico. Someone, somewhere has to have the balls to get what they deserve, not what ownership thinks they deserve. You may have not had those balls, thus remained at JUS, but others do. And if NJA doesn't provide a professional career expectation, they will go somewhere that will.

Oh! please, I was litterly begged to come to work at NJ back in 2000, but I could not take the pay cut. Compared to most jobs out there NJ is a dream job. The guys coming back from JUS where they have been in a holding pattern for 4 years will be making close to $100K/yr as an F/O and would be happy to spend the rest of their careers in the right seat the job is so good compared to most other places.

But that probably is not good enough for you because you know how to fly an airplane, and I mean that is very special skill that anyone with a certain level of skill and desire can accomplish.

 

[BentOver]

Oh! please, I was litterly begged to come to work at NJ back in 2000, but I could not take the pay cut. Compared to most jobs out there NJ is a dream job. The guys coming back from JUS where they have been in a holding pattern for 4 years will be making close to $100K/yr as an F/O and would be happy to spend the rest of their careers in the right seat the job is so good compared to most other places.

But that probably is not good enough for you because you know how to fly an airplane, and I mean that is very special skill that anyone with a certain level of skill and desire can accomplish.

You are correct. $100k for working 18 days a month, having barely any ability to trade work days, and not being able to enjoy playing in any type of leagues etc is not adequate.

Also zero chance of upgrading within the next ten years is unacceptable. And when one was able to upgrade it'll be into a Phenom with little chance for movement is not what I consider acceptable.

Is the job better than working for JUS? Most definitely. But being content to accept the fate of a NJA SIC merely because it is a better job than a night freight operation......

You have the same old story of Unions destroying your once promising career at whatever 121 you were at.. (started with a V, don't recall the company)

And anyone who finds NJA unacceceptable in its current form is ungrateful in your opinion.

 

[ultrarunner]

Interesting... But he may have been embellishing a bit... If he didn't try at NJA and only counted salary on the 7 on 7 off schedule he would have been making $132,219 a year... Based off of 80 hrs a month, he would have to be a 13yr MD-88 F/O.... Or is my math wrong??

Your math is correct. Furloughed so long, he's back on property at the top of the pay scale )))

 

[imacdog]

Your math is correct. Furloughed so long, he's back on property at the top of the pay scale )))

Just like some at NJA could be. Good to hear that pay longevity continues for the Delta furloughees.

 

[jonjuan]

Interesting... But he may have been embellishing a bit... If he didn't try at NJA and only counted salary on the 7 on 7 off schedule he would have been making $132,219 a year... Based off of 80 hrs a month, he would have to be a 13yr MD-88 F/O.... Or is my math wrong??

$140K/year on the smallest plane which would get him weekends/most holidays off, $21,000/year company 401K contribution (no self contribution required), $11,000 profit sharing, 3 soon to be 4 weeks vacation, 2-3 years until potential upgrade and $200K/year, $50/year unlimited world wide non-rev benefits for the whole family plus parents, among other perks.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

And Waldo will still be stunned they don't come back to NJ