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That's a good point Gut, especially on the big G where its pilots are born, not made.
 
What do the Mexicans do with all of that rubber dog cr@p?
 
and you are going to go someplace in aviation where there are no morons? When you get there lets us all know. At lease with NJ morons you get decent pay and QOL, compared to hauling rubber dawg crap out of KYIP in the middle of the night into a dark Mexican airport.


Yawn.........

Professionals don't accept status quo or are satisfied just because they are payed better than guys flying night freight into Mexico. Someone, somewhere has to have the balls to get what they deserve, not what ownership thinks they deserve. You may have not had those balls, thus remained at JUS, but others do. And if NJA doesn't provide a professional career expectation, they will go somewhere that will.
 
Yawn.........

Professionals don't accept status quo or are satisfied just because they are payed better than guys flying night freight into Mexico. Someone, somewhere has to have the balls to get what they deserve, not what ownership thinks they deserve. You may have not had those balls, thus remained at JUS, but others do. And if NJA doesn't provide a professional career expectation, they will go somewhere that will.
Oh! please, I was litterly begged to come to work at NJ back in 2000, but I could not take the pay cut. Compared to most jobs out there NJ is a dream job. The guys coming back from JUS where they have been in a holding pattern for 4 years will be making close to $100K/yr as an F/O and would be happy to spend the rest of their careers in the right seat the job is so good compared to most other places.

But that probably is not good enough for you because you know how to fly an airplane, and I mean that is very special skill that anyone with a certain level of skill and desire can accomplish.
 
Oh! please, I was litterly begged to come to work at NJ back in 2000, but I could not take the pay cut. Compared to most jobs out there NJ is a dream job. The guys coming back from JUS where they have been in a holding pattern for 4 years will be making close to $100K/yr as an F/O and would be happy to spend the rest of their careers in the right seat the job is so good compared to most other places.

But that probably is not good enough for you because you know how to fly an airplane, and I mean that is very special skill that anyone with a certain level of skill and desire can accomplish.

You are correct. $100k for working 18 days a month, having barely any ability to trade work days, and not being able to enjoy playing in any type of leagues etc is not adequate.

Also zero chance of upgrading within the next ten years is unacceptable. And when one was able to upgrade it'll be into a Phenom with little chance for movement is not what I consider acceptable.

Is the job better than working for JUS? Most definitely. But being content to accept the fate of a NJA SIC merely because it is a better job than a night freight operation......

You have the same old story of Unions destroying your once promising career at whatever 121 you were at.. (started with a V, don't recall the company)

And anyone who finds NJA unacceceptable in its current form is ungrateful in your opinion.
 
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Interesting... But he may have been embellishing a bit... If he didn't try at NJA and only counted salary on the 7 on 7 off schedule he would have been making $132,219 a year... Based off of 80 hrs a month, he would have to be a 13yr MD-88 F/O.... Or is my math wrong??

Your math is correct. Furloughed so long, he's back on property at the top of the pay scale :))))
 
Interesting... But he may have been embellishing a bit... If he didn't try at NJA and only counted salary on the 7 on 7 off schedule he would have been making $132,219 a year... Based off of 80 hrs a month, he would have to be a 13yr MD-88 F/O.... Or is my math wrong??

$140K/year on the smallest plane which would get him weekends/most holidays off, $21,000/year company 401K contribution (no self contribution required), $11,000 profit sharing, 3 soon to be 4 weeks vacation, 2-3 years until potential upgrade and $200K/year, $50/year unlimited world wide non-rev benefits for the whole family plus parents, among other perks.
 
And Waldo will still be stunned they don't come back to NJ
 

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