Netjets Recalls!!!!

[jetlag7]

Do you guys still get to select lunch items from a menu, etc like you used to do (e.g., salmon )? How does that work? I always thought that was a nice perk.

Yes we do, but it's not a "perk" it's a productivity tool for the company so they can keep us on duty at the airport rather than provide lunch/dinner breaks while we go find something to eat at a restaurant.

As far as how it works, we submit our orders from an app on the Black Berry the night before, and the food is delivered to whatever FBO we happen to be at the next day.

Personally, I'd rather they just give me the time off to go get a decent meal at a restaurant.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

One of the recent departures was actually to Allegiant.

Sad commentary on the state of affairs.

So yeah, the frustration level is rising rapidly. It's beginning to translate into moving the fence sitters off the barbed wire....

I know a guy who can't get out of Allegient fast enough and is coming back to ole NJ. He said as bad as NJ may have become, It can't compare to Allegient and their crappy bidding system.

Varying opinions is what makes the world go around I suppose. Who am I to get in the way of someone leaving and opening a spot for myself

 

[flagshipper]

Yep NJ sucks. Don't accept a recall!!! (unless you are below me in seniority)

 

[CRAWDADDY]

I am a 9 year SIC at NJA and I am not in a hurry to get out. I would consider UA or maybe DL, but that's it for me. This is not the job it was 5 years ago but it sucks less than many other ones out there.

I think a lot of F/Os are in this position. While things have been pretty stagnant here many have the necessary PIC time from their previous jobs.

The following is just speculation: In the past, some pilots here had trouble getting an interview with the Majors (and AirTran) because their experience wasn't in a 121 environment. I suspect, the airlines won't have the luxury of passing over NJ applicants now. One reason would be that they are reluctant to rob pilots from their own regionals. They could probably take from a competitor's regionals but this could get nasty. Not saying they wouldn't .... but there are fewer majors and we might see some cooperation among them in this regard. Call it a conspiracy.

As bad as you think it might be here, regionals are having a @#$^& of a time recruiting and now F/Os must be nearly as qualified as they are here. I think they'll try everything short of paying them to keep them from leaving.

 

[gunfyter]

"Pay them and they will come..."

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Pay them and they will stay

 

[doh]

The four NJ furloughees at JUS think going back NJ is the best thing in the world compared to flying 50 year old airplanes in to dark Mexican airports at night and having to unload the cargo. They would be happy finishing their careers in the right seat.

I'm not sure I'd say "happy to finish in the right seat", but I'm not leaving Flexjet and I'm still stuck there. Hoping to move (one seat over) in the next couple years.

 

[pilotyip]

I'm not sure I'd say "happy to finish in the right seat", but I'm not leaving Flexjet and I'm still stuck there. Hoping to move (one seat over) in the next couple years.

When you are over 60 pushing freight in the back of a DA-20 to have your pay doubled to sit in the right seat of a NJ airplane makes that right seat the best thing that can happen to you before you have to hang it all up. At that age it is all relative, flying is about job security at a decent wage..

 

[jonjuan]

Pay them and they will stay

Maybe they don't want them to

 

[G4dude]

"Pay them and they will come..."

Exactly right. The Regionals will have to dramatically increase pay. Not because they want to, but because they have to to attract and keep pilots.

 

[BentOver]

Exactly right. The Regionals will have to dramatically increase pay. Not because they want to, but because they have to to attract and keep pilots.

Unfortunately the exact opposite is happening...it's astonishing in today's market, but pilots are actually voting on concessionary contracts to either keep what they have or grasp for that carrot of flying the huge E170....

Way too many newbies have the illusion of 2-3 year upgrades, a year in the left seat then on to Delta.

The more experienced guys either want to "burn it down" or hold on as long as they can until their number is called at a Major.

Either way, these concessionary contracts keep getting passed.

That makes NJA a much more lucrative option and destination for many. When the time comes, NJA will have no problem getting resumes.. Keeping the pilots from applying to Majors is another story. NJA is moving more towards an stepping stone job, rather than a 30 yr career.

 

[jonjuan]

Unfortunately the exact opposite is happening...it's astonishing in today's market, but pilots are actually voting on concessionary contracts to either keep what they have or grasp for that carrot of flying the huge E170....

Way too many newbies have the illusion of 2-3 year upgrades, a year in the left seat then on to Delta.

The more experienced guys either want to "burn it down" or hold on as long as they can until their number is called at a Major.

Either way, these concessionary contracts keep getting passed.

That makes NJA a much more lucrative option and destination for many. When the time comes, NJA will have no problem getting resumes.. Keeping the pilots from applying to Majors is another story. NJA is moving more towards an stepping stone job, rather than a 30 yr career.

Spot on. Nja management knows they will have no problem finding as many qualified, regional, low paid, commuting FOs as they will ever need.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Originally Posted by CRAWDADDY ->
Pay them and they will stay

Maybe they don't want them to

I think they really want the super senior to leave or get terminated

 

[OPECJet]

Spot on. Nja management knows they will have no problem finding as many qualified, regional, low paid, commuting FOs as they will ever need.

That's going to cost a pretty penny. The right seat will become a constant revolving door while the guys in the left seat stay put. Constantly replacing pissed off FOs who stay for a couple of years then bail with another type rating is going to tax both NJA and Flight Safety.

 

[jonjuan]

That's going to cost a pretty penny. The right seat will become a constant revolving door while the guys in the left seat stay put. Constantly replacing pissed off FOs who stay for a couple of years then bail with another type rating is going to tax both NJA and Flight Safety.

The right seat has become a revolving door? Since when?

 

[jetlag7]

The right seat has become a revolving door? Since when?

"will become......"

 

[flagshipper]

Saw another site. NJ sent out 6 recall notices today

 

[jonjuan]

"will become......"

Why will it become a revolving door when they hire regional FOs?

 

[jetlag7]

Why will it become a revolving door when they hire regional FOs?

Why are you asking me? Ask Opec. I was just trying to be helpful by pointing out that you misread the post.

For that matter, I see no reference to Regional FO' s in there either.....

 

[jonjuan]

Why are you asking me? Ask Opec. I was just trying to be helpful by pointing out that you misread the post.

For that matter, I see no reference to Regional FO' s in there either.....

He quoted my post about hiring qualified regional FOs and somehow them all leaving (ala revolving door) when they aren't currently leaving n droves. Capiche?