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bailout said:
recalls??? what??? everything i have heard is another @350 furloughs coming.... hope not, but that is whats out there..
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350 now huh? I love rumors.

Like George Carlin said, "it's all bull$h!t folks, and it's bad for you."
 
Why are all the others recovering while one remains stagnant? One reason is that when the smallest competitor owns 1 aircraft and adds two more the next year, they issue a press release that they have had 200% growth year over year. I'm not a fan of twisting statistics but the uneducated customer sees this press release and may jump on the band wagon. On the other hand, the largest operator doesn't oversell itself. If they have 450 airplanes, they need to replace 45 per year as stated intelligently in a previous post. They won't promise growth until they tally the previous months sales. So one says we're growing and the other says we're not. Which company would you call for information? If May is net positive, deliveries can and will occur, they didn't cancel ALL the orders. My count says there's still 58 680's on order and since Cessna has delivered less than a handful so far this year, they'd be happy to contractually deliver a few 680's on short notice. Long story short, net negative fleet size is not the only possibility.
 
Rubber Ducky said:
If May is net positive, deliveries can and will occur, they didn't cancel ALL the orders. My count says there's still 58 680's on order and since Cessna has delivered less than a handful so far this year, they'd be happy to contractually deliver a few 680's on short notice. Long story short, net negative fleet size is not the only possibility.
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So........ your saying May may be net positive for sales AND they could start delivering 680's....... Puff, puff pass...puff, puff pass..... I haven't done that since college but want some of it:nuts:
 
Wankel7 said:
When I was working 6 on 8 off...now I have 5 hard days off a month.... :p

I recall a time at Netjets....
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When I sat at home almost 6 months waiting to start IOE.... then I took a 3 year LTLOA. Man, that was easy money.

I recall a time at Netjets....
 
I've been fatiguing like crazy because they are killing us. I'm on the X and can't see how they could possibly furlough.... I refuse to do extended days until our brothers are back!!!
 
Thanks for the support

Thanks for the support. It's hard out here right now. Few flying gigs are available and the ones that are have 500 applicants.
 
I recall a time at NetJets when The General asked if he was communicating....
 
G4dude said:
You must be very proud. Jeez!
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G4 Dude, you sound like your wife....In a crappy mood again???? We should all be FATIGUING when necessary to help out our brothers & sisters. On the contrary, I am NOT PROUD to have to fatigue because I like to get the job done but I refuse to do it when I'm exhausted. I hope that the men and women that are furloughed get some hope that we are all pushing for them to be recalled and I remain on the 7&7 in hopes that they will get back here soon. God knows I would want the same support from my senior pilots if I become furloughed(140 from the bottom). Wouldn't you want that same support G4 Dude????
 
hopalong said:
Thanks man.... Beers on me...
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You should change your name from "hopalong" to "hopSalong" if you're going to start buying beer!
 
hopalong said:
G4 Dude, you sound like your wife....In a crappy mood again???? We should all be FATIGUING when necessary to help out our brothers & sisters. On the contrary, I am NOT PROUD to have to fatigue because I like to get the job done but I refuse to do it when I'm exhausted. I hope that the men and women that are furloughed get some hope that we are all pushing for them to be recalled and I remain on the 7&7 in hopes that they will get back here soon. God knows I would want the same support from my senior pilots if I become furloughed(140 from the bottom). Wouldn't you want that same support G4 Dude????
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No. The more we fatigue, the higher NJAs costs are, which adversely affect profits, which delay recall of our brothers and sisters, which we all want.
 
The business effects of a pilot fatiguing are not a pilot's concern. If you are fatigued, you fatigue. End of story.
 
imacdog said:
The business effects of a pilot fatiguing are not a pilot's concern. If you are fatigued, you fatigue. End of story.
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You are correct, but that is not what Hopalong was saying. Apparently, he does it to help furloughees get recalled. However, I have never fatigued. Been tired, but not to the point of needing to cancel a trip.
 
G4dude said:
No, but Hopalong was saying he does it to help our furloughed brethren.
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I didn't think you meant it that way. Look, if a pilot is tired, he shouldn't fly. That is something we can all agree on. As a furloughed pilot, I want to be recalled ASAP, and I think no one should fatigue unless he is too tired to fly.

As for Hopalong's post and your comment about him fatiguing to "help out our furloughed brethren", I read that he is fatiguing "when necessary" i.e. when he is too tired to fly, to help us out. He did not say he was abusing the policy. If pilots are flying tired, then the company will staff accordingly, with LESS PILOTS. If they are calling it quits for the day because they are being worked too hard or having their rest shifted and flying nights when they began their tour in the daytime, or whatever makes them tired, they should tell the company they are too tired. That would indicate the company LEGITIMATELY needs more pilots.
 
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G4dude said:
No, but Hopalong was saying he does it to help our furloughed brethren.
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Bring it on G4 Dude.... You are a real RETARD!!!! First of all, not once did I say that I fatigue to help my brethren. What I said is that NetJets is flying us like crazy and I REFUSE to fly when I am tired. Apparently, you must fly to "help the company cut costs to help bring our brothers and sisters back." So I guess that you are willing to put peoples lives at risk and ruin NetJets reputation for the sake of saving them money. Are you serious?????? I assume that you are also on the 18 day schedule to "HELP OUT THE COMPANY" and accept all the extended days as well to "help out the company." You have absolutely NO COMPASSION for the furloughees and Karma is a real BEOTCH!!!!

Thanks guys for sticking up for me Campbell and others. G4 Dude, you really don't give a crap about anyone but yourself, you selfish SOB!!!!
 
hopalong said:
Bring it on G4 Dude.... You are a real RETARD!!!! First of all, not once did I say that I fatigue to help my brethren. What I said is that NetJets is flying us like crazy and I REFUSE to fly when I am tired. Apparently, you must fly to "help the company cut costs to help bring our brothers and sisters back." So I guess that you are willing to put peoples lives at risk and ruin NetJets reputation for the sake of saving them money. Are you serious?????? I assume that you are also on the 18 day schedule to "HELP OUT THE COMPANY" and accept all the extended days as well to "help out the company." You have absolutely NO COMPASSION for the furloughees and Karma is a real BEOTCH!!!!

Thanks guys for sticking up for me Campbell and others. G4 Dude, you really don't give a crap about anyone but yourself, you selfish SOB!!!!
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Wow! Drinking and posting again, I see.
 
G4dude said:
No. The more we fatigue, the higher NJAs costs are, which adversely affect profits, which delay recall of our brothers and sisters, which we all want.
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Hopalong, remember when I posted this? Does this sound like a lack of compassion?
 
Jack Campbell said:
I didn't think you meant it that way. Look, if a pilot is tired, he shouldn't fly. That is something we can all agree on. As a furloughed pilot, I want to be recalled ASAP, and I think no one should fatigue unless he is too tired to fly.

As for Hopalong's post and your comment about him fatiguing to "help out our furloughed brethren", I read that he is fatiguing "when necessary" i.e. when he is too tired to fly, to help us out. He did not say he was abusing the policy. If pilots are flying tired, then the company will staff accordingly, with LESS PILOTS. If they are calling it quits for the day because they are being worked too hard or having their rest shifted and flying nights when they began their tour in the daytime, or whatever makes them tired, they should tell the company they are too tired. That would indicate the company LEGITIMATELY needs more pilots.
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Good post. I could have misunderstood Hop's meaning. I am a little curious about the many "fatigues." I fly for the same company and we seem to be getting plenty of rest. And I am subjected to lots of multiple time zone changes to boot.
 
G4dude said:
Hopalong, remember when I posted this? Does this sound like a lack of compassion?
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OK G4 Dude, try and redeem yourself all you want. I can see right through you. You really don't give a crap about anyone but yourself. Your anti-union semantics speak volumes. You can accuse me of anything you want but, don't you dare accuse me of being unethical and abusing our companies policy. If I am tired because it is apparent that we need more pilots, I will FATIGUE.......

Lets see you fly two transcons plus one repo for the next day; two days in a row from sun down to sun up, to then switch your clock around so the company can get you home by midnight day 7. If you didn't fatigue, I wouldn't call you a professional. So the F-Bomb not only is imperative for safety, therfore it becomes a result of benefiting our furloughed brethren and their families. We need them back!!!! Have you ever been furloughed?????
 

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