Netjets New Payscale

[VmaxFlyR]

Employment Strategy?

I think you answered your own question Vmax. The company tried to raise the newhire rate, no strings attached, because it was the right thing to do and they want committed, long term employees here.

Question:

But will those employees really want to stay when they find out that the only sizable raises make under a new contract were to them, as a group of new hires? Don't you think that they will eventually want to make more than $38k for working 17-18 days per month? To invision themselves being a long term employee, they will want to earn considerably more than that in the future, just as today's Netjet guys do--remember, they were once new hires, too!

The stategy you've suggested--raise new hire pay to get bodies in the jets, but restrict pay over time--is one that will promote turnover, NOT stability and long term employment...or is that the REAL stategy?

BTW...interesting use of "the right thing to do..."

 

[FamilyGuy]

Family Guy you are such an idiot to believe the company wants long term employees (pilots). If that were true then why the heck would they hire any retired airline guys. They guys are only going to work mabe three years at the most. The guys I have talked to are just staying until the training contract is over. Once again gets some nuts and tell what your job is at NJA. You have NO common sense in regards to this company that I really do think your are just some stooge the company hired to write some posts. The company should get their money back because you don't make any points with real facts.

LOL.....everyone on this board is still waiting for you to post a point backed up with real facts.

Your sole contribution has been hate, profanity, and ugliness. Maybe we should recap some of your more intelligent posts to prove the point:

Fred Garvin your "good authority" is an idiot or you sir are a liar. I do work at NJA and have for a long time. I just call your BS when I see it. You don't so your opinion don't matter fool..

Dispatch Dork if you were really a casino puke you would be worried about all the money flowing from NJA to all the other companies. It affects your pay as a cmh employee. No money left at NJA then no money for raises for cmh employees. Are you that stupid not to realize that?

Family Guy you must not work at NJA. Other wise you would know all about the investigation of the A Team and how ButtHole Boisture endorsed the fact that giving gifts to schedulers was ok. Hell no, we don't like those pole suckers, but I'm sure they have dreams of making it to V.P. of Pole Suckers one day. Hell we got a VP of People why not a VP of Pole Suckers?Truth is the A Teamers have broken the BH ethics code. Don't even get me started on the whole illegal checkride fiasco involving management pilots.

Heck just lock a monkey in the CEOs office. He should be able to produce the same results if not better results. We're thinking of trying this at NJA.

Transpac don't forget all the "A Team" pole suckers at NJA. If one of them was on fire I wouldn't waste my piss to put out the fire.

Oh poor DickItcher, I mean Dispatcher please don't ignore me. Come back and play.

H2b go back to your microsoft flight sim and stop trying to be a real pilot. Maybe spend some more of your time at www.wannbepilotcan'tgetlaid.com. I bet you wear those ray ban glasses just like in Top Gun.

Hey H2b you must be one of the rejects that didn't get hired at NJA you sure have a hard on for all of us. Although a small hard on. Hey NJA Owner how come your so smart but ya couldn't even spell Berkshire? Check out the title of your post "Bershire." I never heard of that company. You losers crack me up.

I'll tell you what is funny.....When douche bag NJA Owner shows up for his flight and I pull out the write up that I have been carrying for the last two days and ground the airplane just before his trip. After waiting at the FBO for hours the poor dumbass gets chartered out on some piece of crap vendor that has a piss poor safety record and his catering gets lost and some of his bags don't get loaded. Now thats some funny stuff!!! HA HA..

Still Ass Clown won't debate or even educate himself about the true financial reports of this company. If you don't have the balls to ask for a raise then that's your fault. It is clear you have no clue about union matters. Maybe you should go attack the mechanics they are union too. Most professional dispatchers belong to a union.

As I told you in this thread:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=641071#post641071

I think I'll side with dispatcherNJA on this one....there's no way you are a NetJets pilot because the vast majority of the ones I know would never debase themselves the way you have on this board....

 

[been-there]

the right thing to do.

"The right thing to do" is going to lead to a smoking hole. I hope you fools in cmh are ready for that. You are causing an UNSAFE work enviroment.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Question:

But will those employees really want to stay when they find out that the only sizable raises make under a new contract were to them, as a group of new hires? Don't you think that they will eventually want to make more than $38k for working 17-18 days per month? To invision themselves being a long term employee, they will want to earn considerably more than that in the future, just as today's Netjet guys do--remember, they were once new hires, too!

The stategy you've suggested--raise new hire pay to get bodies in the jets, but restrict pay over time--is one that will promote turnover, NOT stability and long term employment...or is that the REAL stategy?

BTW...interesting use of "the right thing to do..."

My understanding is that the current proposal has raises ranging from 23% to 40%, depending on seniority and position, with the larger number going to the new hires. If 23% is the minimum raise, then I think that meets the definition of 'sizable'.

BB used the quote 'the right thing to do....' in his letter that was posted on the intranet concerning the company's offer to raise new hire pay....

 

[VmaxFlyR]

Details & The Devil

My understanding is that the current proposal has raises ranging from 23% to 40%, depending on seniority and position, with the larger number going to the new hires. If 23% is the minimum raise, then I think that meets the definition of 'sizable'.

I won't get into an exchange with you as to whether the 23-40% raise figure is really accurate, but I can be confident that the cost of living ALONE has eaten up just over 18% of any additional money since 1998...

http://www.aier.org/cgi-aier/colcalculator.cgi

So what you're really talking about, if your figures are accurate, are 5-22% raises in real (2005) dollars.

Question:
Are the proposed raises indexed? Nope? Then that guy who will be a 5 year Captain 3 years from now will be looking at probably a -3% (decrease) to a +14% (increase) in Real Wages in 2008...

Is that same guy going to have to work more days for that raise? How about working any more hours in a day?

What about the status of his benefit package?


The devil is often in the details--could be a reason the netjets pilots aren't too excited about that latest proposal!

 

[dsptchrnja]

My understanding is that the current proposal has raises ranging from 23% to 40%, depending on seniority and position, with the larger number going to the new hires. If 23% is the minimum raise, then I think that meets the definition of 'sizable'.

I won't get into an exchange with you as to whether the 23-40% raise figure is really accurate, but I can be confident that the cost of living ALONE has eaten up just over 18% of any additional money since 1998...

http://www.aier.org/cgi-aier/colcalculator.cgi

So what you're really talking about, if your figures are accurate, are 5-22% raises in real (2005) dollars.

Question:
Are the proposed raises indexed? Nope? Then that guy who will be a 5 year Captain 3 years from now will be looking at probably a -3% (decrease) to a +14% (increase) in Real Wages in 2008...

Is that same guy going to have to work more days for that raise? How about working any more hours in a day?

What about the status of his benefit package?


The devil is often in the details--could be a reason the netjets pilots aren't too excited about that latest proposal!

Do your figures account for the 7-12% raise pilots get every year? Everyone knows no pilot is making the same amount he or she was making in 1998 just because a new contract hasn't gone through.

 

[steel]

Some dude-



Keep it going...I’m not everyone. We all know family guy "ain't gonna confess". We also know what he does for a living. We also know he knows nothing of the operation including NJ services. We also know he has not posted solutions. We also know that asking anyone in the puzzle palace knows who Dubinsky is. We see him spreading propaganda on this board to try and throw us off. He has no effect on the strong. He does a great service to the strong willed when we know his sole purpose is to rebut truths with half truths and "spins". He will be defeated. We will win.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

I am still amazed that people are STILL answering DUMBESTWIFE and DUMBASSDISPATCHER. Do you not understand that these are just trolls ? Check yourself and let them stew.

 

[Sun Tzu]

The only thing misleading on this forum is you familyguy. A 5th year captain is only going to see about a 8.2% raise. Even at 40% an new FO will only be at $37,800 with no upgrade in sight. I didnt see anything in the proposal that gave a 40% raise. A 10 year Captain will never make what a new JB captain makes. It is not a bunch of Union militants that are making misleading and disparaging attacks. That is coming from you. We are just telling our side of the story to counter the lies being spread here. You have no credibility and you never will.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Just checked the facts a few minutes ago.

Netjets has added 165 pilots to the seniority list since Jan 1 throug Jun 3.

Netjets has lost 50 pilots since 1 Jan 05.

Total gain of 115 pilots for 6 months of training. It's going to be hard to meet even 300 additional pilots before the year end.

 

[Hogprint]

I think you answered your own question Vmax. The company tried to raise the newhire rate, no strings attached, because it was the right thing to do and they want committed, long term employees here.

The right thing to do is negotiate in good faith on a new CBA that raises ALL employees rates...no strings attached.

You will then return to long term committed employees.

 

[dsptchrnja]

The only thing misleading on this forum is you familyguy. A 5th year captain is only going to see about a 8.2% raise. Even at 40% an new FO will only be at $37,800 with no upgrade in sight. I didnt see anything in the proposal that gave a 40% raise. A 10 year Captain will never make what a new JB captain makes. It is not a bunch of Union militants that are making misleading and disparaging attacks. That is coming from you. We are just telling our side of the story to counter the lies being spread here. You have no credibility and you never will.

In all fairness FC employees don't see all the details of the negotiated contract. Just what the company has posted. And the company is held accountable by you, the pilots for that information that we see. If there were false statements they would readily show up in places like this forum. All this to say the 23-40% figure came from one of your fellow pilots in this post. If it is incorrect you have the right to refute it. No one really did when he posted it:

Yes, it was two different offers. The first had six figures in it but we lost all of the bennies, insurance 401k etc...afraid not...

Second was the one they sent out to all. It was somewhat lower with the bennies back in, looked like a step in the right direction to me, except for no bidding of schedules AT ALL. I guess you just start your 6 on 6 off or 6 on 4 off and work it for the rest of your Netjet career. Doesn't work for me. Pay wise looked like a 23% increase for 6n6 and around 40% if I want no life on the 6n4.
Mute point though, this has turned into a battle of egos for both sides and neither will agree to anything just to spite the other...JMHO.

NJA Non-bargaining employees probably should stay away from initiating or responding to debates about what is meant to be between the company and union since we generally don't have all the information to make informed statements. But if crews are going to post information such as the quote above in a public aviation forum, be prepared because people are going to use it.

 

[FAcFriend]

we generally don't have all the information to make informed statements. -dispatcher


OMG- Are we supposed to be making informed statements here??
No wonder noone likes my posts!!

 

[dsptchrnja]

we generally don't have all the information to make informed statements. -dispatcher


OMG- Are we supposed to be making informed statements here??
No wonder noone likes my posts!!

LOL

 

[dukeofdub]

"How many times do we have to tell you people that we refused to look at the books that they offered. THE COMPANY REFUSED TO SHOW US THE BOOKS THAT WE REQUESTED TO LOOK AT. Why don't you ask the company what they have to hide by not showing US the books we want? I will tell you......A SH!T LOAD OF HIDDEN MONEY THAT THEY DON'T WANT US TO KNOW ABOUT. That is why we will strike.

So instead of being pissed at us, why don't you direct some of that anomosity towards the company, for they are the reason we will strike. Ergo, their fault.

MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear!!!!!!!!!!! It is not that difficult!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, I vented, now.......

There is nothing you can do to change OUR minds. We are fighting for OUR pay, OUR families, OUR lives, because this is what right in OUR hearts. Not YOURS. Someday you will figure this out. What we are doing is not personal towards you. But we have taken this personal from the company, ie RTS, because we can see past the company BS and the propoganda they put forth. Unfortunatley you either choose not to or do not have the abililty to.

It amazes me that the bickering between us is even an issue. We know what solidarity is and would support you without question if you decided to be paid an AVERAGE wage for what you do.

We are not asking to be the highest paid, just in the AVERAGE range for what we fly and what we do. I could understand your point if we demanded to be paid THE premium wage for which everyone else wanted to attain.

This will be over someday, hopefuly soon. In the end though, we will still be working together as co-workers, we will still have to talk to each other and deal with each other. We are professionals as are you. We need to remember this because when it is said and done we are still on the same team.

Respectfully, ce750drvr"

It is good to see the Union coming back to the Bargaining table. The Company has offered to show you all the NetJets Inc. books and has tried to communicate their position quite clearly. So lets all hope that we are getting closer and that there will be an agreement in the near future. Nobody likes all the bickering and we are still on the same team. If you believe that everything from the Company is propoganda then you have to understand that everything the Union says is propganda. It is and you know it. You just don't want to hear anything except what you think is right.

It will be over someday and the tone will become more civil. It does no good to call each other names, and it does no good for pilots to go on a campaign of damaging the company. That will lose the respect of everybody, and you know it.

Everybody wants fair wages, but you have to decide what is fair, what is right and where you want to work. Do you expect anybody to believe your statement about the books you asked for? I think not. I would have expected more from a professional.