Netjets Casino employees

[El Chupacabra]

I must be a good negotiator ?

You could probably offer to negotiate for NJA to help us save millions of $$$ and maybe keep 10 or 15 % of the savings for yourself... annually every year!

Huh?

My thought exactly.

 

[x402]

Originally Posted by Publishers
Secondly the worth of the contract is the worth of the training, not what they pay.

I have no doubt they would have us sign for more than they are charged, classic Santulli. Buy X's at deep discount, sell them at retail. Rich people don't get that way being nice or stupid.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Its more like EXTORTION if you ask me. Are they any other employees that sign training contracts?

 

[Live4flyng]

Geez you guys must know something we do not because we could not get that with 4 aircraft.

Secondly the worth of the contract is the worth of the training, not what they pay.

Typical garbage expected from Publsihers.

 

[dsptchrnja]

It is a waste of time arguing with the people at "Fort Fumble". Here is a perfect example of the way they think.....



In thier minds it's ok to lose a buck through operating inefficiencies, but God forbid you spend a buck on the people doing the job.

It sure is, and those lousy business decisions that lose a buck are not serving the people in the back.

If you actually read and comprehended what I wrote you would've noticed that the the "buck" was to serve the folks in the back, not loosing it by being inefficient.

 

[Live4flyng]

If you actually read and comprehended what I wrote you would've noticed that the the "buck" was to serve the folks in the back, not loosing it by being inefficient.

Really? Please give us a class on business and why it is ok to lose a buck in operations, but not ok to pay an employee.

You should change your screen name to: CONTEMPTFORNJAPILOTSTHATMAKE1/2ASMUCHASIT'SSUBSIDIARIESPILOTSMAKE

I comprehended everything you said. I am quickly losing respect for dispatchers @ NJA. Then again, you may not really be a dispatcher.

Keep trying to justify the waste that goes on with NJA and you will find yourself out of a job. The truth will prevail at some point, and I know I will be on the right side of it.

 

[Bad Monkey!]

Originally Posted by FamilyGuy


If you're truly that bitter then maybe you should find a career that is a better fit for you.

Heed your own advice and leave now!

You claim zero time for flight experience, so you don't like a union? too bad, it's a union shop!

You can leave ass monkey! NO ONE will miss YOU!

 

[FamilyGuy]

Heed your own advice and leave now!

You claim zero time for flight experience, so you don't like a union? too bad, it's a union shop!

You can leave ass monkey! NO ONE will miss YOU!

I've been here for years and loved it....my job is not unionized. If it were unionized I wouldnt have come here. If it ever goes union I will leave. I've had too many bad experiences in union environments. Too much negativity, too much pissing and moaning about how bad the company treats you, too much strong-arming people to tow the 'party line', too much thuggery and intimidation, etc. Your post is an excellent example of all those bad qualities.

All of these negative issues in my opinion have led Americans to turn away from unions over the last 30 years, steadily reducing their presence in the US workforce to the current level of 12%.

Its a shame that certain elements have chosen to introduce those 'qualities' into NetJets. It used to be a wonderful place to work until these elements surfaced. Now its more like any other job.

 

[FLYLOW22]

All of these negative issues in my opinion have led Americans to turn away from unions over the last 30 years, steadily reducing their presence in the US workforce to the current level of 12%.

The decrease in Unionized labor is a direct result of a fundamental change in the type of jobs available as the world economy has transitioned from the old world Industrial Age economy to the Information Age economy. Read Rich Dad, Poor Dad for more info. It is written by Kyosaki (sp?). He maps it our beautifully.

Americans had little choice but to change with the times... and jobs. It's much bigger than Americans. It's about $$$$$$$.

I too think that the work environment has changed here at NJA... and the damage done is not going to be 100% repairable. What solution would you suggest though? Not stand up for industry AVERAGE pay? Not stand up for what is SAFE? Sorry... I am not that monkey.

Aviation has remained a sanctuary of Unionized Labor for one reason: SAFETY. The Company claims it; we demand it. A Union is one of the only tools which allows for a checks and balances for a company with 2,200 pilots. It's the only way I know of to insure fair and equitable treatment of employees that discourages favorites (a work in progress here but certainly better with ASAP than without).

A company just reaches a certain size where it needs a ying for the yang.

 

[FamilyGuy]

The decrease in Unionized labor is a direct result of a fundamental change in the type of jobs available as the world economy has transitioned from the old world Industrial Age economy to the Information Age economy. Read Rich Dad, Poor Dad for more info. It is written by Kyosaki (sp?). He maps it our beautifully.

Americans had little choice but to change with the times... and jobs. It's much bigger than Americans. It's about $$$$$$$.

I too think that the work environment has changed here at NJA... and the damage done is not going to be 100% repairable. What solution would you suggest though? Not stand up for industry AVERAGE pay? Not stand up for what is SAFE? Sorry... I am not that monkey.

Aviation has remained a sanctuary of Unionized Labor for one reason: SAFETY. The Company claims it; we demand it. A Union is one of the only tools which allows for a checks and balances for a company with 2,200 pilots. It's the only way I know of to insure fair and equitable treatment of employees that discourages favorites (a work in progress here but certainly better with ASAP than without).

A company just reaches a certain size where it needs a ying for the yang.

Flylow - thanks for the thoughtful response instead of another attack. I havent read Rich Dad, Poor Dad, but I'll see if I can find a copy to read.

I still have to wonder though, if a union is so good then wouldnt it have a role (and be able to maintain its presence in the workforce around historical rates of 35-40%) regardless of the jobs available? Information age jobs require a much higher level of training and education than industrial age jobs. These better educated workers should be able to see the benefits of a union and want one. That's not what we are seeing in the US.

That leads me to believe that US workers have decided that unions are no longer necessary. IMO, most of the good and noble causes that led to the creation of unions have been adopted as standard aspects of the workplace and are now enforced by federal law. The remaining union causes have been largely rejected by the US workforce as fringe issues that arent necessary or even supported by the majority of Americans.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Flylow - thanks for the thoughtful response instead of another attack. I havent read Rich Dad, Poor Dad, but I'll see if I can find a copy to read.

Hey Einstein, it's called BOOKS-A-MILLION or BARNES AND NOBLE !!! And while you are in he BUSINESS section, pick up a few more books and study before posting here. Your ignorance flows like wet poooooooo.

 

[El Chupacabra]

There is no need to be nasty. Rich Dad Poor Dad is a good book but I found Millionaire Next Door to be more useful. You will be doing yourself a tremendous favor by reading it. The Motley Fool books are good as well.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Flylow - thanks for the thoughtful response instead of another attack. I havent read Rich Dad, Poor Dad, but I'll see if I can find a copy to read.

I still have to wonder though, if a union is so good then wouldnt it have a role (and be able to maintain its presence in the workforce around historical rates of 35-40%) regardless of the jobs available?

No problem!

I agree with some of your points but I think that aviation is an Unionized anomaly. Pilots themselves find that they are divided on the issue. Most Unionized employees are real salt of the earth, blue collor laborers that are not very highly educated. They care about Friday and 4:30 happy hour. They are concerned about what the Union can do for them... not the other way around.

Many pilots are Unionized but pilots by nature are very type A, go getter, highly educated, self motivated, politically conservative people. Many pilots struggle with the political dichotomy alone in that many are Republican thinkers represented by a body that has it's roots founded in Democratic soil.

I believe that Unions remain in aviation due to the nature of the beast. If management cuts back to maximize profits (which they try constantly to do- it's thei job) it can have a hugely negative affect on safety. The Union is the only device available on the market to provide a ying for managemnts cost cutting yang. It is one of the only legal vehicles to initiate programs and changes in a corporation without waiting for the FAA to insist on change following bloodshed.

 

[El Chupacabra]

A few years ago I read about DOCTORS wanting to unionize in Austin TX. If BigD is reading maybe he can tell us what happened.

It was a UNION Army that freed the slaves.


"If we wish to be Free, we Must FIGHT!" -- Patrick Henry

 

[FAcFriend]

millionaire next door and the subsequent releases are a must read for everyone. Great books that really tell how people make their money-

Doesnt matter if you make 2ml a year if you spend 2ml plus one dollar you are poorer than the guy that makes 45k and saves a dollar.