NetJets' Captains need to get over themselves!

[Willy21]

Maybe it means the pilots that have been around a while need to spend more time with the new guys and teach them. (A little code red would not hurt at times) Running from them only makes the problems and barriers worse. We should extend a hand to them.

 

[Semore Butts]

Hahahaha!

Fischman,

Your a St. Louis boy like me! You better know better!

You Don't play "Blues" for 5000 hours and suddenly say, "there, I got it"!

Well Willy, sounds like they don't want anything from us but recognition.

We are old, what do we know?

Old school, over the hill, obsolete, not cool!

Somehow I knew us old guys would end up being at fault?

 

[SDCFI]

Funny, I've had pretty much the opposite experience at Flex. With the exception of IOE I have always had Captains swap legs whether live or empty. Now, on the first leg together you can almost count on the Captain taking it if it's live and giving it to me if it's empty, a few ask which one I want. Also, I almost always fly from the right seat, only a few Captains offer the left on the empties and I don't care so I don't ask if they don't offer. At NJA can FO's taxi from the right seat in aircraft without a tiller? If the left seat pilot has to taxi at all times or if the aircraft has a tiller I can see not wanting to fly from the right side, otherwise I don't see why it would matter. In fact I like the challenge of being proficient from both sides. To the OP, the first rule of CRM is if you have an issue with another crewmember find a neutral place (hotel bar) and casually bring up the issue. For example: I couldn't help but notice you fly all the pax legs, if you're not comfortable with me flying pax is there a reason, maybe something I can work on? As long as you don't get a BS answer (that's the way it's always been done) leave it a that. More than likely they'll say "I'm sorry, that's the way it was done when I started and no one's ever said anything so I never thought about it. How bout we swap from now on? That'll be 2 cents please, no checks!

 

[Crossky]

I think our "talent acquisition" department has dropped the ball BIG TIME if you guys are actually employees. :bawling::smash:

You shouldn't post that stuff here without going first to your union message board and airing out your problems.












sorry, i'm bored on a sat. nite overnight.

 

[LJDRVR]

In a previous life I went through this whole empty-legs-till-I-knew-you're-smooth crap. That's all it is: Crap. Inexperienced Captains who take themselves a little too seriously using passenger comfort as a reason for their ego trip adn lack of comfort with the airplane. I've been there/done that and I didn't even know that's what it was at the time. I wish I could go back and change it.

Let your FO's fly. They'll learn faster and your cockpit will be a fun place to work.

Or you can be a dick.

 

[glasspilot]

This thread got me thinking. I've been offering the option to every FO since the thread started as long as they're qualified per my companies procedures.

Then I fly with a guy who says he's qualified, but still wanted the first (empty) leg. Very abrupt on the taxi inputs, unable to configure for landing (too fast for flaps and ended up landing at partial flaps despite briefing full flaps (I let it go as the runway was very long)).

Anyway, I'm going back to testing out new FO's before I turn them loose on the pax. Flame away ya'll, but I have a responsibility. I'm sure your Gold Seal means something to ya, but I don't want to find out you're rough on the controls at the same time the pax do.

 

[hydrarkt]

Geez Porter, I hope that I'm lucky enough to fly with you!! I mean, my dumbass friend who has 7000 hours, is a Maintenance Test Pilot for the Army, an 8 year Captain at ASA, has an MBA and is a great, personable guy, applied here twice and got turned down. So YOU must be WAAAAY superior to him. He was psyched when I showed him the airplanes on the ramp at PDK and is depressed over his hiring rejection. I'll let him know that you are upset about the amount of legs that you are flying and will be swapping jobs with him.
I was a cocky f&^K like you when I was hired here. I quickly realized that I didn't know it all and that I had a lot to learn. Apparently you haven't.
As a 9 year Captain and IOE Instructor, I can tell you that you are not that good. I don't care where you came from or what you flew. You still have a LOT to learn.
And if you knew anything, you would know that crosswind landing techniques vary in different airplanes. Do you think that landing a X and an XL or G200 in a crosswind is the same??? If so, as I said above, you have a lot to learn.
Grow up, shut up and relax. Learn from those around you and do your job.

Oh, and as far as reporting this to Pro Standards... bad idea. What are they going to say???? It's still the Captain's decision about who flies and Pro Standards can't do anything about it. Good luck... you'll need it.

 

[ExecJetCA]

Hey guys knock this $h!t off! I know that one day that our domiciled guys will out number the HBA guys. I have been told that a group of the Non-HBA guys will one day organize and sell our assess out. And they can, why because the will out number us 2 to 1. If someone has his 75 hours, let him fly. Just because you were treated like a red headed stepchild doesn't mean you need to ******************** on everyone else. Can't we all just get along.

 

[say again]

Geez Porter, I hope that I'm lucky enough to fly with you!! I mean, my dumbass friend who has 7000 hours, is a Maintenance Test Pilot for the Army, an 8 year Captain at ASA, has an MBA and is a great, personable guy, applied here twice and got turned down. So YOU must be WAAAAY superior to him. He was psyched when I showed him the airplanes on the ramp at PDK and is depressed over his hiring rejection. I'll let him know that you are upset about the amount of legs that you are flying and will be swapping jobs with him.
I was a cocky f&^K like you when I was hired here. I quickly realized that I didn't know it all and that I had a lot to learn. Apparently you haven't.
As a 9 year Captain and IOE Instructor, I can tell you that you are not that good. I don't care where you came from or what you flew. You still have a LOT to learn.
And if you knew anything, you would know that crosswind landing techniques vary in different airplanes. Do you think that landing a X and an XL or G200 in a crosswind is the same??? If so, as I said above, you have a lot to learn.
Grow up, shut up and relax. Learn from those around you and do your job.

Oh, and as far as reporting this to Pro Standards... bad idea. What are they going to say???? It's still the Captain's decision about who flies and Pro Standards can't do anything about it. Good luck... you'll need it.

People must be thrilled to have you as an IOE instructor. You seem like a cocky f@ck now, and admittedly, when you first started. My favorite, "As a 9 year Captain and IOE Instructor, I can tell you that you are not that good. I don't care where you came from or what you flew. You still have a LOT to learn".
Are you serious?????????

As for your buddy being rejected twice, well, that's his problem and not the posters. :beer:

 

[brokeflyer]

right now porter is laughin his azz off at all you retarded idiots.....

go look at what this thread has become....

Im sure he thinks "mission accomplished"

 

[gutshotdraw]

right now porter is laughin his azz off at all you retarded idiots.....

go look at what this thread has become....

Im sure he thinks "mission accomplished"

Did he hang a banner from the island of an aircraft carrier?

 

[hydrarkt]

People must be thrilled to have you as an IOE instructor. You seem like a cocky f@ck now, and admittedly, when you first started. My favorite, "As a 9 year Captain and IOE Instructor, I can tell you that you are not that good. I don't care where you came from or what you flew. You still have a LOT to learn".
Are you serious?????????

As for your buddy being rejected twice, well, that's his problem and not the posters. :beer:

Nope.. I still learn something almost every day on the road.
Yes, I am serious. This job is different than others. We fly into all kinds of airports that the airlines don't touch. We fly into airports that are totally unfamiliar to us, in all conditions. I'm not saying that we're better than others, just different. And it takes a while to let it all soak in. Flying the plane is only a small part of it.

 

[o2bflyn]

Being the person went about the whole "scenario" a$$ backwards in blatant ignorance.

(Not knowing anything about the union system in place (Pilot Pro-Standards)

It is no surprise that they would hide as deep as they could and make ignorant statements.

The person comes across as being young, 5000 hours and knows everything.

What about the other poster with 2500 hours crying about being hired and hadn't heard anything?

Boy that sucks! What could be worse then that?

Well I guess that individual knows now, since we have stopped hiring and Options is Furloughing, Dayjets closed etc..etc..

(I wonder how much "Combat" time they have? Maybe they don't know everything?)

What a long dissatisfying, miserable life they have ahead of them! On top at 30!!!!!

Sure hope I don't have to fly with them.

Can't believe I even posted on this thread again.

It must be the "meds"?

Good luck to those deserving pilots falling on hard times this holiday. Keep the faith, this will pass.

Could not agree more. Some people need to just stop pissing and moaning and go to work.

 

[gunfyter]

right now porter is laughin his azz off at all you retarded idiots.....

go look at what this thread has become....

Im sure he thinks "mission accomplished"

I am running out of popcorn.

 

[hammer2]

I am running out of popcorn.

Porter has some.