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[Diesel]

great so now you are threatening us?

 

[h25b]

great so now you are threatening us?

nope not threatening at all. this is just reality. i just can't believe the union is even serious about this one. i read your posts all of the time diesel and you're usually right on. you're way off base on this one. i'm the first one to great you guys in an fbo and wish you luck as are many of us corporate guys/gals. we all want to see you succeed on this one. believe me, it would make my job a lot easier if you were making an acceptable wage.

i've worked and continue to work at operations that have many resumes on file from NetJets pilots sick of the pay, benefits, schedule, etc. of fractional flying and can only guess the situation is the same at other Fortune 500 operation. now do you really think it's a wise move to alienate these people.

we're all rooting for you, at least for now. i'm just saying it's not wise to screw things up for others at NetJets that might wish to do something else in the future. it cuts both ways people.

the following is from asap's web page....

"When NJA pilot salaries are compared to the annual salary survey conducted by the National Business Aviation Association (NBAA), NJA pilots currently earn an average of 50% base salary of other pilots in the United States who fly similar jet aircraft. Under the contract proposal, NJA pilots would have earned only an average of 55% of what other, less productive pilots earn operating the same equipment for other companies. "

first we are your peers, when it's in your best interests... now we're the enemy... first class people, first class...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

What a joke. When ALPA gave the Continental scabs membership, it proved pilot unions in the end are completely phony.

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No, ALPA is a political organization. It played politics and saw that gaining an entire membership group at an airline was worth allowing scabs back in.

It is not black and white. If you want to say that ALPA saw green with the potential dues income then fine. But ALPA didn't just crater and welcome scabs....

I am not justifying it, just offer an explanation....

 

[400A]

Alpa

No, ALPA is a political organization. It played politics and saw that gaining an entire membership group at an airline was worth allowing scabs back in.

It is not black and white. If you want to say that ALPA saw green with the potential dues income then fine. But ALPA didn't just crater and welcome scabs....

I am not justifying it, just offer an explanation....

NO ALPA is just a joke, period. another fine example of scab list with no back bone. No verification, and no real identity.

I know someone falsely labled a scab(but did not know it untill somebody slipped and told him he was on the list)

That was his reward for beind a loyal ALPA member (at both Eastern and US air) (and yes he went on strike at Eastern and never went back) then was furloughed at US air. After 5 years he finally got it straightened out and was hired at Delta.

Boy, he got his moneys worth out of those dues. I hope ALPA can represent us corporate guys.

 

[Publishers]

"Other less productive pilots"

You mean the ones that do all the flying 52 weeks a year, who do all their own flight plans, hotel and motel reservations, FBO reservations, clean the aircraft, see to it the maintenance is done, pay all the aircraft bills, schedule their own training, handle their own airline reservations, check the weather, load the plane with supplies, see to it the linen is done, and then fly.

Surely they will race to support you.

 

[netjetwife]

With all due respect, gentlemen, they DO have until June 24th to work things out. There is also the matter of the strike vote, that has yet to be taken. A high percentage of yes votes may convince the company that the pilots are standing firm in their JUSTIFIED demands. Seems to me that a "cooling off" period also has to happen first. Aren't you getting just a bit ahead of yourselves?

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

great so now you are threatening us?

See, it's happening already. If you want to really get the rest of the aviation community supporting you, you don't throw around threats. You reap what you sew. The only reason anyone is making any 'threats' to NetJet pilots, is because some morons on this board are trying so scare them. Bottom line, if I was in a wage fight with my boss, and he threatened to sell the plane and go to NetJets, would you support me? Not fly him? Not show up for work? I didn't think so. It's OK to tell someone they can't do YOUR job, it's not OK to tell them they can't do THEIRS. Historically, scabs are not people who are gainfully employed and just go on doing the same job they have been, it's always been people who are advancing their careers at the union worker's expense.



Be very careful, we (together as part 91, 125 and 135 pilots) outnumber you. We are a huge lobbying power and we ARE the NBAA. We have been supporting you in private and public forums. I've even told my boss about your plight. Now you ARE alienating us. Bad move.



Ace

 

[h25b]

Bottom line, if I was in a wage fight with my boss, and he threatened to sell the plane and go to NetJets, would you support me? Not fly him? Not show up for work? I didn't think so.


Ace

Actually, this is a VERY interesting point being made... I wonder how many of the NetJets owners are former operators of corporate aircraft. I'd be willing to bet NetJet's pilots are flying some of our old passengers... They tend to forget that they have put their fair share of pilots out on the street to begin with. At my first Fortune 500 job we had to defend ourselves from the predatory tactics of NetJets' (then Executive Jet) sales.

That's it, all of us dues-paying NBAA members need to scab-list ALL NetJets pilots. THEY ARE FLYING OUR PASSENGERS!!!

Now do you guys see how stupid you sound???

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Be very careful, we (together as part 91, 125 and 135 pilots) outnumber you. We are a huge lobbying power and we ARE the NBAA. We have been supporting you in private and public forums. I've even told my boss about your plight. Now you ARE alienating us. Bad move.



Ace

Amen brother.

Don't get me wrong guys, let me make myself clear. I would never cross a NJ picket line, and I support your efforts to increase your QOL. But c'mon, if you guys are on strike, we (part 91 corporate and 135 charter) should refuse to fly your pax???

Ok, lets say I would refuse to fly your pax, and by the way I think I indeed would refuse to fly your pax (and thefore get my ass fired) are you going to pay my food and rent until I find myself a new job???

no??? and why not? thanks "brothers" ..

 

[Fracster]

Fly our pax or don't, who gives a sh!t!


Let the pax get mad, realize the Fracs aren't realy worth it and go back to having their own plane. This way we get our QOL back, better pay and we don't have to be looked at as the guys who shut "that" flight department down.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

cross a Netjet picket line??

WAKE UP---Who the fruck would want to do that?? whats waiting for you?...a Netjet paycheck?!!!

whats that?....Oh, the 36K/yr you guys Captain bizjets for???...

Oh yeah, bring it on boys, lets talk "scabs" .....

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[rice]

???????????

cross a Netjet picket line??

WAKE UP---Who the fruck would want to do that?? whats waiting for you?...a Netjet paycheck?!!!

whats that?....Oh, the 36K/yr you guys Captain bizjets for???...

Oh yeah, bring it on boys, lets talk "scabs" .....

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Wondering how long it would take you to join the party?
Can you believe this stuff?

 

[400A]

Wondering how long it would take you to join the party?
Can you believe this stuff?

ROFLMAO, I was thinking the same thing. G must have been on a long flight.

Welcome to the party dude.

Dont forget though, when they shut # 91 departments down, they offer those guys that $36K pay so thay can still feed their families and most importantly, the CEO does not feel guilty.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

400a,

Is it ok if I send you my resume if my company fires me for not flying NJ pax around? I'm a real motivated and smooth pilot (I'm also good looking, which always seems te please our female pax)



FD

 

[Grizz]

Let me point out that the NetJets MEC hasn't chimed in on this issue at all yet. Folks that have posted on this board are providing their own interpretations - not the official stance of the ASAP pilot group.

Personally, coming from a 135 background, I could see how it would be difficult if not impossible for some pilots flying charter to know if a flight was a NetJets sell-off or not. However, a lot of pilots flying 135 charter DO know if they are picking up NetJets flights.

For as long as I've been coming here, pilots from corporate flight departments and charter outfits have gotten on here and lambasted NetJets pilots for driving down industry wages. They bemoan the "predatory practices" of NetJets sales as if the guys flying the aircraft had anything to do with that. Now for the first time, the pilots at NetJets have a demonstrated cohesiveness and possess the solid leadership that may turn the downward spiral of pilot salaries and working conditions around and make this a top notch job. Now we are greeted on this board by the same myriad of folks that bash us for taking these jobs, now telling us we'll never be successful in our efforts. Still others, post gleefully that they plan on doing everything they can to make sure the pilots at NetJets fail. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I don't begrudge a guy flying for a corporate operator that has a great job - I may be a tad jealous but I definitely don't wish him any ill will.

I think that the MEC will look at all the logistics involved and make a measured call on the concept of charter pilots flying NetJets paid trips during any potential work stoppage. There are a great number of things that have to happen between now and then so I'm not going to worry about that particular piece of the puzzle until it happens. I'd suggest everyone else do the same since nothing has even been announced.

 

[400A]

Resume

400a,

Is it ok if I send you my resume if my company fires me for not flying NJ pax around? I'm a real motivated and smooth pilot (I'm also good looking, which always seems te please our female pax)



V1

Sure, I will keep it on file. I will give you mine as well. we are gonna need it since we will be either fired or scabs.

At least we would have one good looking guy in the flight department. I am not so pretty, and my partner in crime is only average, but even our NJ customers say we fly real good.

 

[Fozzy]

H25B,

You must be crazy. I have tried to read this whole thread. Let me get this right, you think it is okay for you to do NJ sell off trips if we are on strike!

Sir, that will make you a SCAB. It has NOTHING to do with airlines, aviation or anything else. You doing struck work makes you a scab! Hear that loud and clear. You are doing our sell offs. Picking up our scraps. I don't care if you never plan on going to the airlines or working here.
If the local factory was on strike, you would have no problem with crossing to get work!

So go ahead and write your letter to ASAP. It is a waste of your time. I pay them dues, you don't so forget about getting any love.

SCAB, SCAB, SCAB! Get used to that word.
And another thing. Death does not get you removed from a scab list. What do you think you grandchildren will think of you?!?

 

[400A]

H25B,

You must be crazy. I have tried to read this whole thread. Let me get this right, you think it is okay for you to do NJ sell off trips if we are on strike!

Sir, that will make you a SCAB. It has NOTHING to do with airlines, aviation or anything else. You doing struck work makes you a scab! Hear that loud and clear. You are doing our sell offs. Picking up our scraps. I don't care if you never plan on going to the airlines or working here.
If the local factory was on strike, you would have no problem with crossing to get work!

So go ahead and write your letter to ASAP. It is a waste of your time. I pay them dues, you don't so forget about getting any love.

SCAB, SCAB, SCAB! Get used to that word.
And another thing. Death does not get you removed from a scab list. What do you think you grandchildren will think of you?!?

UMMMMM,,, so let me get this staight.

I am supposed to get FIRED for you so that you can get a raise.

WOW, I am gonna have to think about that one. I am not worried about my grandkids right now, Let me check with my kids and see how they feel about eating an having a roof over their head. I will get back to you.

AGAIN, I would never cross a picket line.

 

[netjetwife]

There you are !

Excellent post, Griz! And I did try to tell them the same things you just said, minus the technical flying stuff... But I guess they don't want to listen to me since I'm "just a wife"... Getting a bit ahead of themselves, they are! I even tried to make a subtle hint that it was time for a "cooling off" period. Unfortunately, it went right over their heads, or was drowned out by all the shouting, perhaps. Good luck, Griz!

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Hahahah this is getting real stupid! thanks for the good laugh Fozzy!

400A,

we could send our resume to Wal-Mart! they are hiring greeters right now!! (that is, if we are good looking enough for that job..)

take care my scab brother!