My GoJet Experience today

[whaleroast]

Yep, you and the original poster are a better group of pilots because you fly people that are not the unwashed masses.
Also, you two are conceited ******************************bags.

Yes, conceited ******************************bags.

Happy holidays conceited ******************************bags hope you have a good holiday you conceited ******************************bag.

 

[CA1900]

I hate to be the spelling and grammar Nazi_ but that original poster sounded like an idiot. Basic rule of thumb; If you're going to bitch about quality, please try not to make yourself look like a complete moron in the process.

Now, please tell me how many spelling and grammar errors I made in this post. Never fails, Huh?

I only caught a missing comma, an improper use of a semicolon when a colon was appropriate, and an improperly-capitalized word. Not bad; I give it a B. :laugh:

 

[laserman2431]

I thimk you're being too generous.

 

[navigatro]

Whaleroast,

Don't hold back...tell us how you really feel.

 

[doh]

Yep, you and the original poster are a better group of pilots because you fly people that are not the unwashed masses.
Also, you two are conceited ******************************bags.

Yes, conceited ******************************bags.

Happy holidays conceited ******************************bags hope you have a good holiday you conceited ******************************bag.

Whale, take a breath! Most of us are not ragging on the pilots. We realise it is your management that has created this problem. But you have to admit that 121 land is no fun for the pax. Frac pilots fly 4-6 legs a month as pax. We see first hand how bad the airlines are. We complain because like all pilots, we complain. But we are complaining about your managements performance, not yours. Happy New Year.

 

[rydog]

Usin that nice gold tie to wipe away the tears.

Using my gold tie to wipe away tears of joy as I make my way to the bank to deposit my pay checks!!!!!

Flame on!!!!!

 

[fischman]

All I'm sayin is "Dear NetJetters. We get it OK? You provide good customer service and you hate Part 121. Now can we please move on?"

The part I don't get is I would think you guys would be happy that the airlines don't cater to the high end traveler any more because that might attract some of the business from the edges of your clientèle.

Bingo. Keep up the bad work guys. You just keep sending those first class pax our way. We'll take 'em!

As a NetJets pilot, let me give you my side of the equation. We bust our butts to treat every pax as if they were the only one. The airplanes are immaculate, the crews are professional and courteous, and the support staff is usually an outside vendor that we pay (Signature Flight Support for example). They know where their bread and butter come from. Therefore we are able to see how good things can be.

The 121 world makes it hard for you guys to REALLY give it your 100%. You rely on rude "customer service" agents, ground staff that LITERALLY throws bags (pax don't like that), and you aren't allowed to open the cockpit door to look the pax in the eye when things go bad. These things are setting you up for failure.

The frustration occurs when there are things that can be done that aren't being done. Cleaning the lav for example. I'm not talking about switching out the blue juice. I'm talking about getting something to wipe down the lav. It would take less than 3 minutes to do a quick job in there. Or are all of you to good for that??? If EVERYONE did it, they wouldn't get so nasty.

Just a thought.

 

[flyboyzii]

Well, let's see here...We have 29 minutes from the time we set the brake to get the pax off..cross seat belts..clean up after them (they usually leave plenty behind)..run in and try to find a computer to get the next flight release...go back to the plane and go through all of the wx (make sure the alternate is legal etc..) and make sure we have the proper fuel load and that comissary has come (and put away) and start loading for the next leg.....I'll see if I can find those 3 minutes to clean that lav and spray febreeze down the isle on my way back...Oh, and none of the crew has had time to eat today!!

 

[AbOvo]

Well I think he's saying it isn't your fault that the marketing people at most airlines today don't care about the customer experience. They are putting the pressure on you and dropping the importance of what is considered vital to pt. 91 operations. Most 121 guys I fly with wouldn't last a day at a 91 operation because the key tasks have never been emphasized to them. It's not about being better, some people like providing good service and others would rather fly their line. There is a reason 91 gigs generally pay much better for similar size aircraft, it's a lot more work.

Reality is that people have said they only care about ticket price. Even to the point that they will choose a flight that's only $10 cheaper. United took that to an extreme with some of their contractors and paid the price. Nobody wants to ride on an RJ with cloth seats displaying unknown stain cultures.

 

[fischman]

Well, let's see here...We have 29 minutes from the time we set the brake to get the pax off..cross seat belts..clean up after them (they usually leave plenty behind)..run in and try to find a computer to get the next flight release...go back to the plane and go through all of the wx (make sure the alternate is legal etc..) and make sure we have the proper fuel load and that commissary has come (and put away) and start loading for the next leg.....I'll see if I can find those 3 minutes to clean that lav and spray febreeze down the isle on my way back...Oh, and none of the crew has had time to eat today!!

Come on. Don't patronize me. I'm trying to offer a different perspective and trying to help. The lav was just an example.

Do you help parents unfold their stroller? Takes 5 seconds.

What about helping a lost traveler find a gate instead of pointing them to the infamous "customer service" agents?

Let me address your excuses:

Crossing seat belts is like trying to polish a turd. Don't waste your time.

How long have you been at your airline? You don't know where the computers are???

Every other leg you go back to the same airport. How many times do you REALLY need to read the same weather?

It takes me 1 second to read a fuel guage. How long does it take you?

How long does it take to see if commissary loaded the plane?

"Flight Attendant. Was commissary here?"
"Yes."
"Good. Thank you."



Listen. I worked for a regional doing 30 minute turns. I know what your job is like. Finding 3 minutes to do the little things WILL get noticed.

 

[millhouse21]

I worked at a regional also and I agree with your points. I also tried very hard to do my best on short turns. Did it stop mgmnt from doing things like starting an alter ego carrier like Go Jet? Certainly not.

 

[laserman2431]

Come on. Don't patronize me. I'm trying to offer a different perspective and trying to help. The lav was just an example.

Do you help parents unfold their stroller? Takes 5 seconds.

What about helping a lost traveler find a gate instead of pointing them to the infamous "customer service" agents?

Let me address your excuses:

Crossing seat belts is like trying to polish a turd. Don't waste your time.

How long have you been at your airline? You don't know where the computers are???

Every other leg you go back to the same airport. How many times do you REALLY need to read the same weather?

It takes me 1 second to read a fuel guage. How long does it take you?

How long does it take to see if commissary loaded the plane?

"Flight Attendant. Was commissary here?"
"Yes."
"Good. Thank you."



Listen. I worked for a regional doing 30 minute turns. I know what your job is like. Finding 3 minutes to do the little things WILL get noticed.

Like you said Fisch, why don't you just enjoy the contrast.

Over here you are trying to tone down the crap you post over on the fractional forum about how you think that NetJets pilots are superior to Part 121 pilots because they provide a higher level of customer service. If you like, I will find some of your previous retard statements.

Critical thought is not your strong suit.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

 

[PCL_128]

Cleaning the lav for example. I'm not talking about switching out the blue juice. I'm talking about getting something to wipe down the lav. It would take less than 3 minutes to do a quick job in there. Or are all of you to good for that??

Are you kidding? No, I'm not going to wipe down the lav, under any circumstances. I didn't become a pilot so I could clean up after you. If you want the lav wiped down, then maybe you should buy tickets on some basis other than the cheapest price, and maybe then we could hire enough aircraft cleaner to take care of that between turns.

 

[laserman2431]

On 09/29/08 Fishman wrote: "The pilots at NetJets ARE the best in the world. We are very proud of our crews. They are THE REASON we are the industry leader in fractional ownership.

There is a reason thousands of pilots want to join our ranks. There is a reason many of our owners will only fly on QS tails. It is the pilots.

In general, airline (not just regional) pilots don't understand customer service. AT ALL. They are terrible at it. All they do is get on the plane and turn left. They think making their PA is "good service" when in all actuality, it is annoying. At NetJets, flying the plane is only 20% of what we do. We are the CS rep, baggage handler, flight attendant, dispatcher (sometimes, when IJet is down), and pilot.

Sorry if this offends some, but it is how I feel. Our crews are the best in the world."

D-Bag. Keep your hate $hit over at the fractional forum where you belong.

 

[CA1900]

... then maybe you should buy tickets on some basis other than the cheapest price, and maybe then we could hire enough aircraft cleaner to take care of that between turns.

We don't buy tickets based on who's cheapest. We buy based on who'll get us to our destinations most efficiently, so we can get to our planes and do our jobs.

It cost us $1600, one way, to get me from Chicago to Seattle the other day on American, while the advance-purchase vacation crowd paid $205 roundtrip. My seat cost sixteen times that of the guy next to me. (Not counting the extra $15 for my bag, which they subsequently lost on a nonstop flight.)

Whether you want to admit it or not, we are those frequent, high-dollar, last-minute business customers the airlines covet. You think out of that $1600, American could have found the budget to clean the airplane at one of their hubs?

I don't ask for much on the airlines: just a moderately clean airplane with a minimum of hassle. Sadly, it appears even that is too much to ask these days.

 

[fischman]

On 09/29/08 Fishman wrote: "The pilots at NetJets ARE the best in the world. We are very proud of our crews. They are THE REASON we are the industry leader in fractional ownership.

The're is a reason thousands of pilots want to join our ranks. There is a reason many of our owners will only fly on QS tails. It is the pilots.

In general, airline (not just regional) pilots don't understand customer service. AT ALL. They are terrible at it. All they do is get on the plane and turn left. They think making their PA is "good service" when in all actuality, it is annoying. At NetJets, flying the plane is only 20% of what we do. We are the CS rep, baggage handler, flight attendant, dispatcher (sometimes, when IJet is down), and pilot.

Sorry if this offends some, but it is how I feel. Our crews are the best in the world."

D-Bag. Keep your hate $hit over at the fractional forum where you belong.

Name calling is the last resort of a weak mind. Grow up.

Sometimes the truth hurts. Sorry to piss you off, but I stand by my statement. Until you witness our service you won't understand, and I'll look like a jerk. That's fine.

There IS a reason why people look forward to the experience of flying on NetJets and why people dread flying on airlines. It is the service. If 121 pilots would try, just try a little, to make flying a more pleasurable experience, you might find people willing to spend a little more on your flights instead of looking for the lowest bidder.

Do you always call people who are trying to help a "D-Bag"?

 

[fischman]

Are you kidding? No, I'm not going to wipe down the lav, under any circumstances. I didn't become a pilot so I could clean up after you. If you want the lav wiped down, then maybe you should buy tickets on some basis other than the cheapest price, and maybe then we could hire enough aircraft cleaner to take care of that between turns.

No. I am not kidding. MY company spent $919 for me to fly to KSJC this week. Between myself and CA1900 that is $2519 alone. Is that enough? What amount do I need to spend to get someone off their high horse and clean a lav at a regional? What makes you to good to provide basic sanitation for your passengers?

Are you too good to help throw bags in a rush too?

 

[say again]

No. I am not kidding. MY company spent $919 for me to fly to KSJC this week. Between myself and CA1900 that is $2519 alone. Is that enough? What amount do I need to spend to get someone off their high horse and clean a lav at a regional? What makes you to good to provide basic sanitation for your passengers?

Are you too good to help throw bags in a rush too?

You're an idiot, plain and simple!!!!! If the company wants their planes (toilets) cleansed to a respectable level, then they should hire people to do it. I will cross belts, throw a few bags, even help w/ cleaning up a little trash in the cabin, but as for cleaning lavs...NO WAY!!!
BTW- You can spend $10,000 on a ticket and you still will not see me scrubbing the toilets. Maybe you should get back there and do a little cleaning, seems you have the experience and a desire.

 

[laserman2431]

We don't buy tickets based on who's cheapest. We buy based on who'll get us to our destinations most efficiently, so we can get to our planes and do our jobs.

It cost us $1600, one way, to get me from Chicago to Seattle the other day on American, while the advance-purchase vacation crowd paid $205 roundtrip. My seat cost sixteen times that of the guy next to me. (Not counting the extra $15 for my bag, which they subsequently lost on a nonstop flight.)

Whether you want to admit it or not, we are those frequent, high-dollar, last-minute business customers the airlines covet. You think out of that $1600, American could have found the budget to clean the airplane at one of their hubs?

I don't ask for much on the airlines: just a moderately clean airplane with a minimum of hassle. Sadly, it appears even that is too much to ask these days.

Maybe math is not your forte.

 

[laserman2431]

No. I am not kidding. MY company spent $919 for me to fly to KSJC this week. Between myself and CA1900 that is $2519 alone. Is that enough? What amount do I need to spend to get someone off their high horse and clean a lav at a regional? What makes you to good to provide basic sanitation for your passengers?

Are you too good to help throw bags in a rush too?

I've noticed you are somewhat of a spelling Nazi on a different forum. You berate others telling them to use the spell check feature. Remember that spell check cannot keep you from using the wrong word.