Multi time building post

[Flystr8]

You should not be so upset with the buisness these guys are operating. Its working for them, its working for the people buying the twin time, and everyone is happy. If you dont like it, dont go fly with them.......Simple huh??

 

[imacdog]

I'm not upset at this company for what they do. They know there are plenty of whores willing to pay to work for them. I'm just amazed that some pilots are stupid enough to pay to do something that they could be paid to do. Would you rather pay $3500 for 100 hours of multi or get paid $3500?

 

[Flystr8]

I'm not upset at this company for what they do. They know there are plenty of whores willing to pay to work for them. I'm just amazed that some pilots are stupid enough to pay to do something that they could be paid to do. Would you rather pay $3500 for 100 hours of multi or get paid $3500?

If you are pissed at them then you should get pissed at all the regional carriers and airlines that pay their pilots $9.00/hr to fly multi-million dollar equipment with tons of live people on board.....and thats after us pilots struggling to get a good job have paid 50-100,000 dollars for our training and/or education. I COMMEND THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING. Whoever started that business is a freeking genius!!!!!!!!

 

[MarineGrunt]

Whoever started that business is a freeking genius!!!!!!!!

While I think you are totally out to lunch on this issue, I will agree with you on the above statement. What better way to lower the cost of your company's flight department by actually duping some stupid chode into PAYING to work for you! Fargin amazing.

Well, I'm off to find someone to pay me to have the opportunity to balance my checkbook with the hopes of being an accountant some day...............

 

[MAS]

answer me this...
ANYONE......

would you rather pay $3,500.... OR $12,500 for 100 hours of multi time?





when i am the chief of a flight department... ill hire you for this (i wouldnt hold it against you... if you have the experience/skill).... if you pft...or buy a type i will not(hire you)... (i have a masters degree (you more than likely do not))...

i do not have 100 hours twin time... say i did... and i went to interview... .... .... you think the captain... or HR rep is going to ask me where i got that twin time...???...nope....

aircraft specifics... thats it... IF the majority of my twin time comes from that aircraft....


.... need i say more??? cause i am too lit to type...

.... almost to the point of punching faces.... haha... j/k... i cant hardly walk

paying 3.5 k for multi time vs. 15,000k

OR

12.5 K flying for air cargo carriers

if TIS tells me there is a clear cut line between the two.. ill back off... otherwise...fo...

 

[MAS]

imacdog... how are you going to get paid 3,500 to fly that twin if you dont have the minimum flight time to get the job in the first place.... ... ohhhhhhh thats right.... you paid 14,000 k to rent that duchess.... out of indianapolis....

 

[imacdog]

There are many operators who hire pilots to fly twins with little more than their multi or MEI ticket. I understand this might mean actually paying your dues, which no one seems to be interested in doing any more, but believe it or not 100 hours of straight and level VFR twin flying isn't the magical answer to getting a multi job. More power to those who are dumb enough to pay for a job.

 

[MarineGrunt]

answer me this...
ANYONE......

would you rather pay $3,500.... OR $12,500 for 100 hours of multi time?

I'll take option C. Get an MEI and a JOB. (you know they pay you money for those right?)

And yes, airlines DO look at the quality of your flight time. Don't kid yourself.

 

[MAS]

as i have stated before... you have to have 100 hours of twin time to put your mei ticket to use at my old school...

so...you pay 3,500 for the 100 hours of multi time rather than 10,000... then pay your dues as an mei...

 

[MarineGrunt]

Then find another school..... geez man.

 

[drinkduff77]

Seriously...go to a different flight school if they require you to have 100 hrs multi before instructing. They are just trying to improve the revenue on their own airplanes.

Or go to a reputable cargo company like airnet or ameriflight and fly for a year. They don't require all that much multi time. At the end of your year you'll have 1000 hrs multi PIC for a 135 operator, be as sharp a pilot as anyone out there, and be paid fairly well to do it.

Anyone that is looking to be a professional pilot and pays for hours beyond what is needed for a certificate or rating is either ignorant or lazy.

 

[wt219200]

Multi-time

How many companies will hire you to fly there planes after you get your multi rating. You have we'll say 15 hours average multi time when you get your rating with 1 hour PIC from your checkride. Then you need 14 more hours PIC to be an MEI with at least 5 hours in the model you will be teaching in. Its not the company's or flight school's decision to require 100 hours multi to instruct it is the INSURANCE COMPANIES, the devils that run this industry. I agree it sucks, but so if I split 30 hours with a fellow CFI to get my PIC time is this considered PFT to some of you guys who would rather die than pay for a couple hours. Show me one company that will hire me to fly there twin with 17 hours multi. If you do I will pay you for getting me a job that does not exist.

 

[MarineGrunt]

How many companies will hire you to fly there planes after you get your multi rating. You have we'll say 15 hours average multi time when you get your rating with 1 hour PIC from your checkride. Then you need 14 more hours PIC to be an MEI with at least 5 hours in the model you will be teaching in. Its not the company's or flight school's decision to require 100 hours multi to instruct it is the INSURANCE COMPANIES, the devils that run this industry. I agree it sucks, but so if I split 30 hours with a fellow CFI to get my PIC time is this considered PFT to some of you guys who would rather die than pay for a couple hours. Show me one company that will hire me to fly there twin with 17 hours multi. If you do I will pay you for getting me a job that does not exist.

I will agree with you that the 15hrs multi PIC is a big hurdle to get over to get your MEI. I got lucky that the school I was a CFI with flew a Cessna 401 under part 91, so when I could, I went along and flew the empty legs. Didn't pay a dime and they actually paid me for doing it. I have no problem with people paying for their time, if you got the cash, go for it. What I do have a problem with is people filling a pilot seat on an aircraft, for free or for sickening wages, that would otherwise go to a qualified commercial pilot that is trying to make a living. I don't know if thats the particular with the company in question, but it sorta smells like it.

There are plenty of schools out there that will start instructing you right away as a newly minted MEI. I went to UND, and their new MEI's start getting multi students almost right away. You can find a flight school like that just as easy as you can find a place to buy time for $35/hr. Sure, pay for you 15ME PIC if you have to, but if you're paying for 100s of hours of time, you either have WAY more money than I do (which isn't much), or you're just plain lazy.

 

[gfvalvo]

What I do have a problem with is people filling a pilot seat on an aircraft, for free or for sickening wages, that would otherwise go to a qualified commercial pilot that is trying to make a living.

It's called Supply and Demand.

 

[imacdog]

How many companies will hire you to fly there planes after you get your multi rating. You have we'll say 15 hours average multi time when you get your rating with 1 hour PIC from your checkride. Then you need 14 more hours PIC to be an MEI with at least 5 hours in the model you will be teaching in. Its not the company's or flight school's decision to require 100 hours multi to instruct it is the INSURANCE COMPANIES, the devils that run this industry. I agree it sucks, but so if I split 30 hours with a fellow CFI to get my PIC time is this considered PFT to some of you guys who would rather die than pay for a couple hours. Show me one company that will hire me to fly there twin with 17 hours multi. If you do I will pay you for getting me a job that does not exist.

I have not worked for them, but people here have said that Ram Air Freight, Flight Express, and Air Now (to name a few) have transitioned to their multis with a fresh multi ticket. Central Air Southwest is currently advertising for pilots that meet 135 minimums. Another option is to go instruct at a school that will give you a break on training for your MEI rating where you can begin giving instruction once you get it.

Renting a plane to build time is sometimes necessary, but renting ususally means you get to decide what to do with the aircraft. The FBO makes money by letting you take their plane. Paying to work for a company is far different. You are providing a service to a company to help them make money, in addition to giving them your money for the priviledge to do so.