Multi time building post

[sbav8r]

I need help.

I saw a post on here about a month ago that had a link to a company that was selling multi time for $35/hr. It was either an Aztec or Comanche, I can't remember. I think the company was located somewhere near the Gulf.

If anyone remembers the company, please let me know. i have tried all combinations of search words with no luck.

Thanks

 

[FlightTraker]

Was it www.multiengine.net ?

 

[sbav8r]

That's it! Thanks for the help.

 

[MarineGrunt]

Wow. Pretty cheap even for single time. Whats the catch?

 

[moving2vegas]

Aerial services inc

Wow. Pretty cheap even for single time. Whats the catch?

catch is...you pay them 35$ an hour to work for them, instead of the other way around.

 

[sbav8r]

Yep,looks like it's PFT. I knew it was too good to be true.

 

[MAS]

I am not exactly certain what this outfit on the gulf does, but I will go out on a limb to say it is not pay for training. From what I understand you are pilot in command that is flying someone from the company out to sea. There is no training involved other than initial. So when you drop your 3,500 you are essentially paying for a 100 hour block of time. (as you would if you were going to rent a twin from various other places around the country---pay for the block of time). I know lots of pilots that have rented twins (from duchess, 310's, barons, comanches) and paid a heck of a lot more than 3,500.

Someone said something about if you did this it would paying them to work for them. perhaps... If so then one could correlate it to Air Cargo Carriers out of Wisconsin.

But boy... Building a quick 100 hours (what it takes to put your mei ticket to use at my alma mater) of multi time for $3,500 sure sounds a lot better than $7,000 or $10,000. Will buying a type rating hurt you one day among your peers? Yes, possibly. Will buying 100 hours of twin commanche time? No, I don't think so.

Will it hurt the industry and your fellow pilots? Possibly, but as one who has never done any pft or pay to work, I will forgive you just this once.

 

[NYCPilot]

Someone once said that that place has a 6 month waiting list too. The flying is basically offshore pipeline patrol out in TX.

 

[imacdog]

I am not exactly certain what this outfit on the gulf does, but I will go out on a limb to say it is not pay for training. From what I understand you are pilot in command that is flying someone from the company out to sea. There is no training involved other than initial. So when you drop your 3,500 you are essentially paying for a 100 hour block of time. (as you would if you were going to rent a twin from various other places around the country---pay for the block of time). I know lots of pilots that have rented twins (from duchess, 310's, barons, comanches) and paid a heck of a lot more than 3,500.

Someone said something about if you did this it would paying them to work for them. perhaps... If so then one could correlate it to Air Cargo Carriers out of Wisconsin.

But boy... Building a quick 100 hours (what it takes to put your mei ticket to use at my alma mater) of multi time for $3,500 sure sounds a lot better than $7,000 or $10,000. Will buying a type rating hurt you one day among your peers? Yes, possibly. Will buying 100 hours of twin commanche time? No, I don't think so.

Will it hurt the industry and your fellow pilots? Possibly, but as one who has never done any pft or pay to work, I will forgive you just this once.

If you are flying company employees for business then you are a commercial pilot and should be paid as one. Amazingly though there are enough whores in this industry who are all too happy to pay for the priviledge of a flying job. Unbelievable.

 

[MAS]

there is a debateable fine line on this one chief...

In my opinion, one would be cutting off his nose to spite his pimply face to go rent a twin from somewhere and pay 10 grand for 100 hours when he could pay 3500 for the same 100. I would not do that for you dog.

There is a difference in paying for a job and paying for flight time to get a job (say the 100 hours required to put your mei to use at an unnamed flight school). This is not buying a type rating or paying to fly cargo routes for 12.5 grand in hopes of getting paid to do it when your 250 hours have been reached. This place is not a job. This is not whoring yourself out. This is an opportunity to save oneself anywhere from $5,000-15,000.

I see your point, and it is entirely valid. When I am a captain one day or the chief of a flight department, I might would look down on someone who paid for a type rating. But I would not look down on someone who paid 3,500 for 100 hours of multi time. However, I would be envious if I had paid 3 times that for the same 100 hours.

 

[imacdog]

Paying for multi time (or any time) at an FBO, flight school, etc for personal reasons is one thing. However, this multiengine.net company is completely different. There is no fine line here. You are providing a piloting service to a company that requires pilots to fly their airplanes to generate revenue. This is called a job. If people wouldn't whore themselves out to this company, they'd be paying pilots for their service. Imagine that, getting paid to work!

 

[gfvalvo]

Paying for multi time (or any time) at an FBO, flight school, etc for personal reasons is one thing. However, this multiengine.net company is completely different. There is no fine line here. You are providing a piloting service to a company that requires pilots to fly their airplanes to generate revenue. This is called a job. If people wouldn't whore themselves out to this company, they'd be paying pilots for their service. Imagine that, getting paid to work!

I have absolutely no aspirations to fly for a living. If I lived near where this company is based and it fit my personal schedule, I'd jump on the opportunity in a minute. The reasons for doing so would be my own. Perhaps I need to build multi time for insurance requirements before buying into a twin. Can't do that for much cheaper than $35/hr. Maybe I just WANT to do it. I get what I want and the company gets what it wants. We're both happy and I certainly wouldn't care what you think.

 

[J.Otto]

How about earning the privilege. It is a flying job at a company that prefers to use multi's to patrol their pipelines. If no one bought time, it would be open to a qualified pilot that would be paid for his services. Its one thing to pay for a rating another to be paying to fly for a company.

Its no different than gulfstream. You pay for 250 hrs and then you're out. After you've flown your 100 hors at this pipeline gig, you're out just the same.

 

[gfvalvo]

It is a flying job at a company that prefers to use multi's to patrol their pipelines. If no one bought time, it would be open to a qualified pilot that would be paid for his services.

Not my problem.

 

[MAS]

paying thousands more at an FBO or wherever else to build the same time you would be paying 3,500 for is ignorant... like i said earlier... this is not like buying a type rating or pft...but it is straddling the line... you see it as whoring...but i see it on the economically savy side rather than the unethical...

spinning is fun btw... citabrias are fun... so is duck hunting... and fishing...
and the beautful perfect soft-field landing... and poker...

 

[Flystr8]

You should not be so upset with the buisness these guys are operating. Its working for them, its working for the people buying the twin time, and everyone is happy. If you dont like it, dont go fly with them.......Simple huh??

 

[imacdog]

I'm not upset at this company for what they do. They know there are plenty of whores willing to pay to work for them. I'm just amazed that some pilots are stupid enough to pay to do something that they could be paid to do. Would you rather pay $3500 for 100 hours of multi or get paid $3500?

 

[Flystr8]

I'm not upset at this company for what they do. They know there are plenty of whores willing to pay to work for them. I'm just amazed that some pilots are stupid enough to pay to do something that they could be paid to do. Would you rather pay $3500 for 100 hours of multi or get paid $3500?

If you are pissed at them then you should get pissed at all the regional carriers and airlines that pay their pilots $9.00/hr to fly multi-million dollar equipment with tons of live people on board.....and thats after us pilots struggling to get a good job have paid 50-100,000 dollars for our training and/or education. I COMMEND THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING. Whoever started that business is a freeking genius!!!!!!!!

 

[MarineGrunt]

Whoever started that business is a freeking genius!!!!!!!!

While I think you are totally out to lunch on this issue, I will agree with you on the above statement. What better way to lower the cost of your company's flight department by actually duping some stupid chode into PAYING to work for you! Fargin amazing.

Well, I'm off to find someone to pay me to have the opportunity to balance my checkbook with the hopes of being an accountant some day...............

 

[MAS]

answer me this...
ANYONE......

would you rather pay $3,500.... OR $12,500 for 100 hours of multi time?





when i am the chief of a flight department... ill hire you for this (i wouldnt hold it against you... if you have the experience/skill).... if you pft...or buy a type i will not(hire you)... (i have a masters degree (you more than likely do not))...

i do not have 100 hours twin time... say i did... and i went to interview... .... .... you think the captain... or HR rep is going to ask me where i got that twin time...???...nope....

aircraft specifics... thats it... IF the majority of my twin time comes from that aircraft....


.... need i say more??? cause i am too lit to type...

.... almost to the point of punching faces.... haha... j/k... i cant hardly walk

paying 3.5 k for multi time vs. 15,000k

OR

12.5 K flying for air cargo carriers

if TIS tells me there is a clear cut line between the two.. ill back off... otherwise...fo...