Multi time building post

[John2375]

How'bout you remember go to Hell asshole

 

[ePilot22]

Will do!

Thanks!

eP.

 

[gfvalvo]

Uncalled For

How'bout you remember go to Hell a**hole

While I more or less agree with your thoughts about the subject at hand, this is not constructive.

My final post on the subject also (well, maybe). If I lived near where this program was offered, I'd jump on it. Why? Because I want to. Free country. I have a great idea for those that don't like the concept: DON'T DO IT. Pretty simple, huh?

 

[LSU Fan]

Hey e,
I agree, PFT is no good. But you keep slamming the "cheap multi time" in Texas when you have no idea about what they are even selling. If you really want to know about what goes on down there, PM me and I will fill you in on the real operation.

 

[ePilot22]

Call it whatever you want

Hey e,
I agree, PFT is no good. But you keep slamming the "cheap multi time" in Texas when you have no idea about what they are even selling. If you really want to know about what goes on down there, PM me and I will fill you in on the real operation.

"Cheap multi time" anywhere is what I'm "slamming"! See the link to KeySlime? That's NOT in Texas. Cheap multi time is an oxymoron. :nuts:

I'm not going to bang my head on the PFT wall anymore. Like I said before...

If anyone has a problem with this or any form of paying for training, work or even fuel post it in the CARGO, REGIONAL or MAJOR forum and defend it there! I bet you won't!!! Come on, post a thread "I'm going to build my multi time by PFT" or "PFT it's for me!"

If you are paying to TRAIN or WORK then tell it to the pilots in the above mentioned boards.

I'm NOT interested in PFT, PFW or PFF!

I have a great idea for those that don't like the concept: DON'T DO IT. Pretty simple, huh?

I have a great idea for the people that DO like the concept: DON'T DO IT! Just as simple!

Thanks for the offer, but I don't really want another rationaliaztion of what they do in Texas.

eP.

 

[LSU Fan]

It's not a rationalization. It is an invitation to you, from me, to get first hand FACTS about what goes on in Texas so that your future posts on that particular operation will actually be somewhat on target.

 

[gfvalvo]

" have a great idea for the people that DO like the concept: DON'T DO IT! Just as simple!

Despite this flawless piece of logic, you haven’t convinced me.
Oh well, to each his own. Good luck with your chosen career path, hope it works out for you.

 

[Lilah]

We ALL pay to work. We pay with our time and the training we do to get the job in the first place, you included. If your flight school needed MEIs so bad, why didn't they pay to train you?

epilot22,

You never answered this question.

SWA is a major employer who has been accused of supporting PFT as well, but there's a long line of experienced professionals just waiting for an interview there. Where does one draw the line?

It's been discouraging to see this thread slide from an exchange of logical arguements on both sides , to a vulgar barrage of name calling.

I think the supply of pilots simply exceeds the demand, and the wages, QOL, and lifestyle reflect this.

If the readers in Regionals, Majors, and Freight want to contribute, they are free to do so.

Respectfully,

Lilah


PS. imacdog, are you into scale acro? I used to build scale planes...

 

[imacdog]

Lilah, yes that's where the imac part comes from. Good catch.

 

[ePilot22]

Keep trying, maybe next time.

It is an invitation to you, from me, to get first hand FACTS about what goes on in Texas so that your future posts on that particular operation will actually be somewhat on target.

Here's an invitation, POST YOUR FACTS HERE. Why PM? Don't answer that question, just post your first hand knowledge.

Despite this flawless piece of logic, you haven’t convinced me.

Yeah, well my life's work won't be complete then. Darn! And by the way Spock, you didn't present an argument. Your one line zingers like "not my problem" and "Free Country" really are great insights into a shallow mind, thanks.

If your flight school needed MEIs so bad, why didn't they pay to train you?

Where did I say my flight school NEEDED MEIs? Here it is again, why are words I didn't say being put into questions that I'm not going to answer?

It's been discouraging to see this thread slide from an exchange of logical arguements on both sides , to a vulgar barrage of name calling.

We are after all only human. Emotions can do that to people. It's great that you are such an model of self control!

I think the supply of pilots simply exceeds the demand, and the wages, QOL, and lifestyle reflect this.

Yeah and I hear about lawyers PAYING to gain experience in a courtrooms all the time. Seems they have the same problem too.

If the readers in Regionals, Majors, and Freight want to contribute, they are free to do so.

Great! But that wasn't my point.

eP.

 

[agpilot34]

Lilah, yes that's where the imac part comes from. Good catch.

I thought I recognized that Beaver avatar from the RCU website. I'm starting basic IMAC this next season myself. Should be alot of fun.

 

[Lilah]

Where did I say my flight school NEEDED MEIs? Here it is again, why are words I didn't say being put into questions that I'm not going to answer?

So, I can only assume YOU paid for training, for a job that might, or might not have existed. Should your school pay to train the employees they need, OR look through a list of qualified applicants? (i.e. the way my employer looked at qualified applicants with 100ME)

Is that taking work away from other good pilots, who might have been paid during training to be qualified to do the work? It's a very slippery slope. Be careful.

Lilah


PS> Never flew bigger than YS1.20 sized stuff. A buddy who's still into it, has flown a number of big planes, up to 37%. They say bigger is better...

 

[ePilot22]

Here ya go!

Ladies and Gentleman,

Flamebait2375 posted in the CARGO board. Please post your ideas and opinions about PFT here:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=68353

This should help with YOUR understanding of why PFT is hurting our industry.

I have also posted the link to this thread in the CARGO board so that they may post here, thank you Lilah! I hope they do.

Now you can twist the words of others and try and convince them with your rationaliaztion because it hopefully won't be just me any more!

eP.

 

[Lilah]

Ladies and Gentleman,

take my advice, pull down your pants, and



awwh, nevermind.

Lilah

 

[ePilot22]

Come on now....

take my advice, pull down your pants, and

Ok, I understand that part! Would you like to see my imitation of a helicopter?

But really don't leave me hangin' here!!!


eP.

 

[Gavin]

Everyone here has made some great arguments. While I disagree with PFT, it's REALLY hard not to look at how much one would save by doing this:

$6500 for the MEI

$16/hour of instructing an ME a/c. You'll already have 15 hours once you complete your MEI. So you'll need an extra 85 hours to be competitive in todays industry. (16 * 85) = $1360

$6500-$1360 = $5140. Essentially you end up paying $5140 for those 85 hours.

I don't even need to mention the opportunity costs (How long it would take) of instructing your way to those 85 hours, vs. buying the hours.

But to be fair, lets not include the OC and just talk about the hard facts. From the way I look at it, you are paying $5140 for those hours (I think its fair to assume that said pilot would move on to the next step in his career once the 100 hours are hit). I don't know about you, but I would gladly pay $3500 for those 85 hours of ME time. It's not only cheaper, but it saves a lot of time. Now, if the Flight schools decided not to pay their students so poorly, I would justify getting an MEI. In my opinion, both jobs are PFT, unless you want to be a career instructor. My school rents our twin out at 245 an hour, and I would only get 16 an hour? That is a joke. Flight schools paying their MEI's so low is as much of a scam as is paying 35 an hour for making someone else money. But the latter of the two makes more sense financially.

Also, you could avoid both of those scenarios and go to a school like ATP who does a lot of their training in ME a/c. But again, in a way, you are basically paying for ME time. And I'm not saying that students at ATP are PFTers, I'm just saying you can get the same type of training done in SE a/c. And I'll be the first to call myself out, and say that I'm actually considering ATP (But is becoming less and less likely). They seem to be a great outfit, but the main reason I looked into them was because of the Multi time.

And as another person on this board said, the pay in this industry is really bad. It's really hard to justify paying a lot to get a job that doesn't pay much. It would be great to rent a plane with your friends and family, but I don't have that kind of money. But I do have $3500. And I think an MEI would be a great way to go also, but your kidding yourself if you say thats a much more "Honorable" way to earn your hours. You would have to instruct for a long time for that MEI to pay for itself.

I'll admit, I have no where near the experience of any of you guys on this board. So feel free to beat me up over it. There is a definite possibility I could have all my facts messed up. So if I am missing something, please tell me. Its great to read both sides because I am still a student and still making decisions regarding training.

Also, I agree with MAS, in that this is the only time one should partake in PFT.

Anyways, I'm going to bed. Good night

 

[MAS]

As is, most of my on-line class facilitators have commented that I have a great on-line presense. So I got that going for me.

I seriously hope that smiley at the end there means that that is a joke and not to be taken seriously... "on-line presence"... haha... commands about as much respect as a telephone assassin...

I took quite a few online classes...some were great... which university you going through...what are you working on?

 

[Lilah]

But really don't leave me hangin' here!!!


eP.

This is a quote from perhaps the most famous (no kidding) American psychologist of all time, Dr. Sidney Freedman. His wisdom is largely unknown to this generation, but go back 20 years and his name was known in every household. His quote suggested not taking the world too seriously, and was said twice to say "goodbye".

It seems we have withstood the onslaught of logic and resulting conflagration from the masses in Majors, Freight, and Cargo, and this thread has died a quiet death. My views are not as extreme as 2375, and I wish we could all have a cold beer together on a warm beach sometime after a long, prosperous, and happy career of flying. Good luck to you all.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants, and slide on the ice."

Lilah

 

[ePilot22]

Brrrr!!!

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants, and slide on the ice."

Ah, shrinkage?! I'd perfer the helicopter, thanks!

I wish we could all have a cold beer together on a warm beach sometime after a long, prosperous, and happy career of flying.

Anytime! :beer: Just no warm beers on a cold beach though, ok!!

I seriously hope that smiley at the end there means that that is a joke and not to be taken seriously... "on-line presence"... haha... commands about as much respect as a telephone assassin...

Oh, FN FAL does have a great on-line presense!!! And if you want to compare him to a telephone assassin, then just remember to duck everytime your phone rings!!


eP.