More Furlough Rumblings at Flex

[netjetwife]

So they had no warning that it was coming? If so, that makes it even harder...

I wish them luck. Finding a replacement job in this economy can be difficult.

 

[John MClain]

As far as Mr. DirtyBeech goes all I will say is this, anyone who states his current position as Defending the Frontier from Zur and the Kodan Armarda is just the type of person I want telling me what and how to fix all that is supposedly wrong at FlexJet. Being called a Toolbag from in inmature dweeb like him I'll take as a compliment.

Let that seasoned immaturity shine through. A toolbag doesn't understand the avatar or the information listed under it, isn't smart enough to google it to see if he's insulting someone, and pulls out the 50's era "dweeb" remark. Yup. You're a toolbag. Or ******************************nozzle. It's interchangeable. really.

I forgot who I was posting to, I'll try to explain. It's you who did not understand Mr. Dirty. i was simply stating that a grown man who fantasizes about being in a Cheesy "B" space movie from the eighties flying around in his Gunstar with a lizard headed space man while a robot facsimile is on earth given it to his girlfriend and they all live in a trailer park and where the only qualification to be a Gunstar pilot is to score above a specific amount on a coin operated video machine put there by a man from the future named Centari seems to be living in a dream world. I mean my god man, are you that clueless to think that only you would know about that stupid dud of a movie? If you spent as much time, effort and thought as it must of took to size and import that Avatar into the thought process of your posts, you might actually make some sense.

Tell Greeg, Lewis and Maggie hey when you see em !@#che Bag.

You, Costanza, Petey and Flexwife can have this forum, cause trying to converse with the likes of you all is in the words of the BORG is Futile.
I'm going back to my place in top 1/4 of the seniority list where know nothing Vandalay thinks I'm flying the 604, scarfing up all the overtime i can get while I simultaneously stick it to all you poor abused junior guy's. Maybe someday, just someday you'll nutup and realize you don't have it all that bad. But you wont, it's not in your nature to. You wont be happy until everyone around is as miserable as you, Your type shouldn't have to work or earn anything, it's should just be handed to you on a silver platter.

I am activating the Death Blossom now, sooo long.

 

[flex*wife]

Hey John, calm down dude--way down. Concievably everyone is really on the same side with a common goal, we just all have different ideas on how best to get there.

At the risk of getting blasted, your attitude isn't really helping people to your side, which based on what you write your ultimate goal is to help people see a different way.

Personally I am all about facts, history and sometimes statements. If people here have misrepresented Flex in any of those categories, then you should call them out on it. The problem is there is a lot of ranting but no real challenge to prove that we are wrong and you are right. How about instead of making fun of people (while sometimes appreciated and tolerated) you propose solutions? Also, be consistent in your statements--you have been wildly all over the map.

Also, just FYI you are taking the dirtybeech thing way too seriously. I believe he is using the movie and characters as a metaphor not a fantasy. It's actually quite brilliant if you'd take a step back and think it through.

Obviously you are a smart, talented asset to the pilot group. Can I ask that you use your skills and brains to help work for a solution that benefits everyone? Thanks!

 

[flex*wife]

So they had no warning that it was coming? If so, that makes it even harder...

I wish them luck. Finding a replacement job in this economy can be difficult.

NJW,

there was some warning that more cuts were going to be made with a deadline on the decisions who being last friday. I don't remember the exact language if the letter but the big cheese made it sound like these were all office layoffs and that the flight crews were safe for now. I think he even said flight crews were safe for the rest of the year barring no more scary economy crud. Now maybe he didn't mean to intimate that FAs were safe, but I think that's why they were surprised.

I still have not heard, and I usually hear something, about who else was let go. It is curiously quiet with that info.

Thanks for being concerned and curious. Every little bit helps especially from someone whose been around the fractional block a few times.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Boy, it's like clubbing baby seals with you John. Just too darn easy. Either you were a big fan of a 20+ year old cheesy science fiction flick and remembered far too much information (I couldn't have named anyone other than the main character without help), or you did the toolbag thing and went to IMDB, summarized the plotline, and then came here acting like you knew something about a flick in order to throw insults at a persona on an internet BBS. We'll go with option B. It would be fun to go to IMDB and see if you didn't just copy that tripe down word for word.

In an interesting bit of projection you've somehow theorized that people fantasize about their made up personas on said message board. Fits right in with your burning need to tell others about your TT, type ratings, and seniority position. Good thing you didn't take your persona from a cheesy action flick involving a cop defeating high tech bank robbers on Christmas or anything. Nope. You've cemented toolbag status alright.

Now run along, and take that fat paycheck that comes with your irrepresible urges to brag about your experience and company position, and buy yourself a pecker pump. It's clear that in addition to maturity and cognition, you're lacking in other areas as well.

NJW,
you're fighting a losing battle. We'll never have a union at Flex. Too many John McClains running around. This site is now mostly for finding out the info and gossip that people will never put on the BB.

 

[netjetwife]

DB, never say never...hope springs eternal... Seriously, I watched things turn around for the NJA pilots after they (and their spouses) decided to stand together. The Strong Union movement started small and gathered momentum until it became a grass roots campaign.

Some of the Options pilots also doubted they could get a Union but they kept passing out cards and talking it up and now they're at the bargaining table, wrapping up the final sections of their first (if approved by 1108) contract. You guys can do that, too.

I highly encourage those interested at Flex to pass out the cards calling for a vote. Perhaps seeing how the furloughs are being handled--little or no warning, only a 2yr recall when the industry standard is unlimited, etc--will have opened enough eyes to move the Flex pilotgroup forward, working on the same goals--together. When issues come up that grab the attention of the slow-to-rally they start looking at Unions differently. Hang in there, it's worth it in the end. NJW

 

[netjetwife]

NJW,... but I think that's why they were surprised. Thanks for the explanation. I still have not heard, and I usually hear something, about who else was let go. It is curiously quiet with that info. How frustrating! Sharing information is free, but some managers hoard it like it's gold... That is sooo wrong! Families need as much time as possible to prepare. NJ pilots work hand-in-hand w/management on joint committees, per their contract, and the Union puts out weekly updates.

Thanks for being concerned and curious. Every little bit helps especially from someone whose been around the fractional block a few times.

FW, I've always been concerned for/interested in the other frac families once I learned y'all were out there.... (Public thanks to FI for giving us this forum!) I feel very strongly that the family perspective should be represented and considered. Kudos to you for speaking up about the issues at Flex. I think you'll find that there are many things we have in common and I agree that it helps to compare notes with those who have trod the same path. Best Wishes! NJW

 

[Club ORD FO]

They laid off 3 FAs last friday. They were in the group that was hired in the winter. I spoke to 2 of them and they were pretty surprised to get laid off.

Well that right there means we are not getting globals. They'd need FAs if that was the case

 

[doh]

My sarcastic question gets a sarcastic answer. I don't know anyone who lives the lifestyle you describe relying on OT, but ok.

We have one who says he needs 18 days to pay his bills. Since 16 is a normal schedule, he is relying on being able to bid up every month. When we went to 14 days for the summer, he sounded kind of stressed. i don't know what his bills are, but he is on wife number one, so I assume he has toy problems. That's all I was refering to.

 

[GSXR600]

We have one who says he needs 18 days to pay his bills. Since 16 is a normal schedule, he is relying on being able to bid up every month. When we went to 14 days for the summer, he sounded kind of stressed. i don't know what his bills are, but he is on wife number one, so I assume he has toy problems. That's all I was refering to.

When did we go back to 16 days bid period since it has been 14 the normal after the second round of furloughs?

 

[notapilot]

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[Hung Start]

Notapilot:

Why the delete? You said your piece, and even though I may disagree with you, I for one appeciate someone who will say his mind. You should have stuck with it.

Just a thought on the overtime piece, and feel free to counter my point. If people refuse the overtime, wouldn't it cause the company to bring the days back to 16 sooner? Seems like those that beg for the overtime (not the ones stuck in the boonies and get OT because of it), are hurting not only those on the street, but the rest of the crew that could use the extra income that 16 days brought them. That's the point that has people irritated.

As for our overtime seeking friend, we ALL know who he is. IMO, he is just the type that brought this country to its knees, way, way over his head with no fiscal responsibility. I wouldn't trust him to manage a kids tricycle, I can't believe the company flips him the keys to a Challenger.

That's my take on it.

Hung

 

[hammer2]

Remember the days when we were asking for less work? I enjoy not working 221 days a year!

 

[Club ORD FO]

Yeah me too. I'd rather keep it at 14

 

[notapilot]

Hung I deleted it because I decided that I no longer wanted to participate in this thread. We all have personal opinions and it is not worth arguing any particular point on here. I do agree with you though.