GuppyPuppy
Living the Dream
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General Lee said:By them moving on, most of us will move up (after the PRPs are gone). Them leaving 5 years early will help the rest of us make up for the loss, somewhat. I have moved up 2000 numbers in one year. ONE YEAR. I can hold a larger aircraft now (at least the 764 FO, maybe more), but I choose quality of life right now. (So I can come to Flightinfo and debate)
Bye Bye--General Lee
This is why you don't see such a public outrage at the payrates on the E190 by JB crews. Most figure they will be on the aircraft (as captain) a maximum of 3-4 years before they can hold a line on the Airbus (as captain) with better pay. I could take your statement highlighted in red and apply the same thinking to JB. "I will be able to make up for the lower pay by getting a quick upgrade".
I know you've been vocal about JB being non-union and I'd like to make an observation. Not until growth slows significantly will we see a union. Management is dangling a carrot in front of us in the form of a rather quick upgrade on the A320. Once we start seeing 3 year E190 FO's, then we might see some union action. Once we start seeing those 10+ year E190 captains making less than a Horizon pilot, then we might see some union action. A union vote at this time would be a waste of resources because it wouldn't pass. Now, if JB ponies up and starts paying more on the E190 (like many have speculated based on A320 pay history) then they can hold off a union. To those that think the E190 pay will increase to something respectable, I'll believe it when I see it. I think the pay increase on the A320 was due, in large part, to retain pilots. It was offered at a time when pilots were leaving to go to AA, DL and NW. In light of September 11th, I applaud JB management for keeping the pay raise.
I'd also like to know how long Delta was operating before their pilots voted in a union. Same goes for UA, AA, NW, US, CO1 and CO2, America West (wasn't it something like 10 or 11 years there? Even at Emery where we were treated like crap it took 5 or 6 years. BTW...ALPA did one heck of a screw job on the EWA pilots. ALPA has little concern for the smaller pilot groups because spending tons of money to protect them doesn't pay off (in their mind).
Lastly, General Lee...please don't paint the JB guys with such a broad brush. Many of us dislike the transcon turns and E190 pay. Personally, I question the safety aspect of a transcon turn when the weather is down. Personally, I think the rates on the E190 are low. However, I like my job and I intend to keep it. I will schmooze the customers and fly the plane the way they want me to, but at the end of the day it is still just a job. Days off and a paycheck. I've been at too many airlines to get a hard-on about this one too. Maybe I'll get that hard-on when I turn 60! Something for my wife to look forward to...or be scared of!!!
Cheers!
GP