Midwest looking for 50 seat A/C

[n757st]

Why would US air want more CRJ 90 seaters now that they are getting the 190's at mainline? Just a honest question

Air Wisconsin has a contract to fly 70 RJs for US Air. Air Wisconsin has the ability through our contract to replace our 50 seaters with EMB-170, CRJ-700 or CRJ 900 aircraft. AWAC has always said they do not see the long term economics of the 70 seater, and if US has the option I am sure they would choose 86 seats vs 72 and 70. The problem has always been that IF... IF AWAC wants to grow into the 90, they need to find places to put the 50 because the 50s are on something like 25 year leases, and everyone knows how much are in the desert. US Air has been on record saying they have too much 50 seat feed and would prefer more 70 and 90 seaters to the 50.

 

[PDTGIMP]

What's crazy about this is how it seems like yesterday when Rakeesh Ganwal was on a VHS tape sent to every US Airways employee in August 2001 saying how "we need more reeeegional jeetz."

I kept a copy of US Airways News from that month proclaiming US Airways will enter the RJ era with mainline flying 50 seaters....what a bunch of idiots.

Seriously, it's funny that US Airways changes its business model once every six months....and it usually does not involve the term "profitability."

 

[foreverfo]

yes, Wisconsin will be shifting 50 seaters from us airways to midwest and replacing them with 90 seaters on the airways side.

Not if the pilots have a say so...they want to see the 900s gone as it is

 

[jws717]

Do you mean the main line guys? last i checked they did not want to take recalls to fly the 190. So the 90 seat programs seem to be free for the taking, one mans trash?

 

[BoilerUP]

While *all* 90 seat flying should be at mainline, I wouldn't be suprised to see 705s or 900s configured with 82-84 seats in a two-class configuration if a move is made that way. Its painfully obvious Airways needs more 70-100 seat airframes and less 50 seaters...its just a matter of what planes are selected and what company the crew's IDs have on them.

And if I'm not mistaken, AWAC's 146 rates are higher than the mainline E190 rates, so thats strike 1 & 2 against 90 seaters...

Bring on the Q400s!:laugh:

 

[jws717]

While *all* 90 seat flying should be at mainline, I wouldn't be suprised to see 705s or 900s configured with 82-84 seats in a two-class configuration if a move is made that way. Its painfully obvious Airways needs more 70-100 seat airframes and less 50 seaters...its just a matter of what planes are selected and what company the crew's IDs have on them.

And if I'm not mistaken, AWAC's 146 rates are higher than the mainline E190 rates, so thats strike 1 & 2 against 90 seaters...

Bring on the Q400s!:laugh:

At the top of the payscale 16 years, mainline is 5 dollars cheeper. however all the main line boys are at 16 year pay. Wisconsin captains are on average 5 year pay. I do agree that 90 seaters should be at mainline, but what if regoinals have better pay for the same type?

 

[1973Arrow]

And if I'm not mistaken, AWAC's 146 rates are higher than the mainline E190 rates, so thats strike 1 & 2 against 90 seaters...

Strange that even when AWAC's rates were 'that high', those 146 routes through the mountains were highly profitable for Wisconsin and for UAL...

 

[jws717]

Strange that even when AWAC's rates were 'that high', those 146 routes through the mountains were highly profitable for Wisconsin and for UAL...

And that was before the pay cut!

 

[DOJET1]

yes, Wisconsin will be shifting 50 seaters from us airways to midwest and replacing them with 90 seaters on the airways side.

and how did find out did unca tim tell you

 

[pilotmyf]

yes, Wisconsin will be shifting 50 seaters from us airways to midwest and replacing them with 90 seaters on the airways side.

You are one sharp FO, any sources to back that up?
Yeah, didn't think so, any other rumors?

 

[jws717]

You are one sharp FO, any sources to back that up?
Yeah, didn't think so, any other rumors?

what does me being an FO have anything to do with it? Rumors are coming from out side the pilot group.

 

[Victor Meldrew]

Not if the pilots have a say so...they want to see the 900s gone as it is

Of course mainline want them gone. U plans to replace the east coast guppy flying (anything east of the Misssissippi) with the E190, big AD coming out on the older 37's and it will better to park them. This will mean the pilots on the 37 that can't hold anything else will be forced into the E190 which has a lower pay rate and thus forcing them into a pay cut AGAIN.

Mainline and ALPA put the E190 under the umbrella of mainline but both allowed the expansion of the CRJ900 at the regionals and left them out of mainline scope. If, say AWAC can operate the CRJ900 at a good rate for U then that's where they will go regardless if AWAC pilots will be paid more than mainline on the E190.

 

[Lear70]

Every time I see that avatar I wonder if she does porn...

and if she does, do you have the title?

 

[Victor Meldrew]

Every time I see that avatar I wonder if she does porn...

and if she does, do you have the title?

Actually I was pointing out the nice shot of the CN Tower in the background Still I have to agree taking a closer look that is a darn nice T-Shirt!

 

[TCBKING]

The 25 plane request is straight from our Director Of Flight Ops weekly message. He stated that Midwest came to us and asked for a proposal from us for 25 airplanes. He said we are working on that right now and should know something soon. So "way" midwest wants 25 planes. Thats all we know right now so we will see.

That must be some TASTY Cool-Aid.

 

[n757st]

That must be some TASTY Cool-Aid.

15 to 25 airplanes, official word from our company. You can choose to believe it or not.

 

[TCBKING]

15 to 25 airplanes, official word from our company. You can choose to believe it or not.

OK. I choose that your management is dishing out the cool-aid. I suppose they will want paycuts for those AC. To stay competitive of course.

By the way. They went to all the pilot groups with the same request. Sooo what does that mean??

 

[n757st]

OK. I choose that your management is dishing out the cool-aid. I suppose they will want paycuts for those AC. To stay competitive of course.

By the way. They went to all the pilot groups with the same request. Sooo what does that mean??

Again, that is the word our company gave us. As for us taking cuts to fly these airplanes, umm.. no. If our company wants the flying, they can get it without our help. I don't get your second part, yes they went to all the groups with the same request, this is the nature of an RFP. If the Expressjet or Mesa guys say the request is for 10 or 30 or 5 airplanes, then I will be in a position to question our management, until then I am going to go off what they have said.

 

[TCBKING]

Again, that is the word our company gave us. As for us taking cuts to fly these airplanes, umm.. no. If our company wants the flying, they can get it without our help. I don't get your second part, yes they went to all the groups with the same request, this is the nature of an RFP. If the Expressjet or Mesa guys say the request is for 10 or 30 or 5 airplanes, then I will be in a position to question our management, until then I am going to go off what they have said.

Ok, I guess you were just being redundant. Everyone knows what an RFP is. You just made it sound like they came to your MGMT specifically with a deal in mind. I was just tryimg to state we all had the same RFP. So i guess our MGMT had the same thing to say to us that yours did.

 

[BoilerUP]

(hey guys, you both work for Air Wisconsin)