Midwest looking for 50 seat A/C

[pilotmyf]

. The bottom line is that the flying should go to their wholly owned carrier SkyWay. Unfortunatly they seem to be unwilling to invest the capital into SkyWay to buy/lease new aircraft. .

SYX even has a 145 program in place, but cancelled their options.

 

[jws717]

SYX even has a 145 program in place, but cancelled their options.

your avitar gives me nightmares

 

[MNMoose]

Skyway

Any chance of a Summer Skyway class with those leaving for Midwest. I see that on Airline Pilot Central they have listed as stopped hiring for Skyway. Hopefully things can turn around and more Do328's in the future.

 

[avrodriver]

That's because airTran didn't like running RJ's.

You lost the airTran contract because of cost... to them. Pilot are only a small percentage of the CASM, but flying RJ's is a losing proposition unless you're connecting them into a hub with yields that support the loss.

airTran made somewhere in the neighborhood of .02 cents per mile in yield for passenger revenue last year; that came directly from the Chief and I'm sure was in the SEC filings as well. When the RJ contract is costing you .03 or .04 cents more than your revenue,,, well, you do the math.

The d*mn things are just money losers if you're not connecting pax onto an aircraft where you're going to make $200 per pax in yield ($1,500 to $2,000 round-trip flights to Europe or Asia). It has nothing to do with pilot pay or flight attendant pay or even mechanic pay; combined they represent about 10-12% of the operating cost of the aircraft. It's all about engine reserves, scheduled maintenance, rotables, fuel, and available seats (or lack thereof in a 50-seater).

What the h.ell are you rambling about? That bigger airplanes generate more revenue than 50 seaters???? Brilliant observation!! I believe that point didn't need proving. Nice post but where does it fall in?

I am trying to convince these guys that pilot costs do not play as big a part in keeping, obtaining, or losing contracts as Management would like us to think.

I know why the JetConnect program was discontinued, I work here. What I don't know is how we ever orig ever got the flying seeing as we had the most expensive regional pilot contract out there at the time. Do you?

By the way I agree with everything in your post, but read the title of the thread. The fact is Midwest is looking to obtain 15-25 of these non money makers.

 

[MarineGrunt]

Any chance of a Summer Skyway class with those leaving for Midwest. I see that on Airline Pilot Central they have listed as stopped hiring for Skyway. Hopefully things can turn around and more Do328's in the future.

I wouldn't count on it. Especially if this 50 seat rumor holds true. Sounds like real bad news for Skyway...

 

[Lear70]

Why did we lose the AirTran contract? not because of our rates...they were already set, nobody underbid us...h.ell nobody even replaced us.

What the hell was I rambling about?

I was answering your question. See above.

If it was rhetorical, you should have said so.

If you read my post again, you'll see I was agreeing with you that pilot costs don't increase overall CASM substantially.

I am trying to convince these guys that pilot costs do not play as big a part in keeping, obtaining, or losing contracts as Management would like us to think.

OK, so by your above statement, pilot costs "do not play as big a part in obtaining contracts".

Then you present this jewel in the next paragraph:

I know why the JetConnect program was discontinued, I work here. What I don't know is how we ever orig ever got the flying seeing as we had the most expensive regional pilot contract out there at the time. Do you?

You just got through saying that pilot costs, i.e. your contract cost, had no part in obtaining contracts. So why do you even mention your pilot cost when you question how you obtained the contract to begin with?

You might ease off the caffeine a bit and think about what you're typing.

Just a thought.

 

[ERJFO]

On another note....get some class guys. Do you really think Skyway guys are going to look at an Expressjet/AWAC guy diffrerently than they do a Mesa guy if this whole thing goes through.

Do you really think I'm going to look at a furloughed Skyway guy diffrerently than I do any other unemployed guy If this whole thing goes through?

 

[pilotmyf]

The pins are falling.
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf96/402344_web.pdf

 

[Fallingbrick]

Eski Chicks Rock! You guys still staying in that same Best Western hole?

 

[Superpilot92]

The pins are falling.
[URL="http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf96/402344_web.pdf"]http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf96/402344_web.pdf[/URL]

Linky no worky

 

[Fallingbrick]

Cut and paste 'linky'

 

[FlyinPiker]

What the hell was I rambling about?

I was answering your question. See above.

If it was rhetorical, you should have said so.

If you read my post again, you'll see I was agreeing with you that pilot costs don't increase overall CASM substantially.


OK, so by your above statement, pilot costs "do not play as big a part in obtaining contracts".

Then you present this jewel in the next paragraph:


You just got through saying that pilot costs, i.e. your contract cost, had no part in obtaining contracts. So why do you even mention your pilot cost when you question how you obtained the contract to begin with?

You might ease off the caffeine a bit and think about what you're typing.

Just a thought.

I believe the point AD made was that if labor rates play as huge of a factor as management would like us to believe then how was AirWis able to get a contract with a low cost carrier (who was obviously cost sensitive) while having the highest labor rates.

 

[Fallingbrick]

The pins are falling.
[URL="http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf96/402344_web.pdf"]http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf96/402344_web.pdf[/URL]

That sucks about the 1900s...here is another link (or pin falling). I think we all knew that they would leave at some point, it just sucks that there is no plan to replace them in house. Best of luck.
http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?OHID=1099536&guid=25F266223657479D8D60B9142DAF4CF1

BTW-look at those cycles!

 

[avrodriver]

What the hell was I rambling about?

I was answering your question. See above.

If it was rhetorical, you should have said so...

Lear, you changed my comma into a question mark on my orig post when you quoted me. Don't try and say I changed it, the time last edited is noted ( you'll also find my orig statement in one of your previous posts as well....unedited). I was not asking a question I was making a point.

If you read my post again, you'll see I was agreeing with you that pilot costs don't increase overall CASM substantially....

Thank you for agreeing with me. Sorry

OK, so by your above statement, pilot costs "do not play as big a part in obtaining contracts".

Then you present this jewel in the next paragraph:

You just got through saying that pilot costs, i.e. your contract cost, had no part in obtaining contracts. So why do you even mention your pilot cost when you question how you obtained the contract to begin with?

You might ease off the caffeine a bit and think about what you're typing.

Just a thought.

It shows an example of a time that the highest labor cost carrier was able to obtain a new flying contract with a low cost carrier. I thought it might help some of us remember what management wants us to forget. That there was a time before "industry average", "concessions", and "underbidding" were the only way to obtain new business.

It has been the theme almost all of my posts that I'm sure everyone including you agrees with. So what are we arguing about?

 

[pilotmyf]

Eski Chicks Rock! You guys still staying in that same Best Western hole?

Oh, You Bettcha!!!!

 

[MNMoose]

Anything new, any new rumors! BUMP!

 

[jws717]

yes, Wisconsin will be shifting 50 seaters from us airways to midwest and replacing them with 90 seaters on the airways side.

 

[Superpilot92]

yes, Wisconsin will be shifting 50 seaters from us airways to midwest and replacing them with 90 seaters on the airways side.

Why would US air want more CRJ 90 seaters now that they are getting the 190's at mainline? Just a honest question

 

[Highflight1977]

Eastshore aviation just sold off stock in US Air and might be looking for a place to invest it. It worked with US Air maybe they are going to try a repeat. Invest in Midwest Airlines or buy Skyway then put in our -200s which would free up room on the US side to add 900s?

I'm going with that rumor. Yes, I started it.

I have a better rumor - Just heard from a buddy that's in training right now... We are going to use our 50 seats that are under airways colors and replace them with 70 seaters. You know airways hates the 50 seaters, so it makes everyone happy..

What's it all mean bazil? Who friggen knows.

 

[DOJET1]

here we go again