Mesaba Redistribution of Snapback Raises

[CptOver]

So, although this topic is old around XJ, it never surfaced here.

Our MEC has proposed an LOA to reduce the CA Dec. 1, 2010 raise, in an effort to increase FO pay. This is a snapback raise from our BK and equals 4% for all pilots. Our FO pay has been a blended rate since 1996, and over that time made our Saab FOs the highest paid turboprop FOs in the industry (per seats). Now that our fleet has shifted, there are less Saab FOs than jet FOs and the majority of our FOs are making less money than their peers.

So my question for the rest of the industry....

Should we...
A) Reduce all CA pay in Dec., to bring FO pay up to about industry avg. for CRJ200/900 (even higher paid for SF340).
B) Wait 1 year till contract negotiations to try increase FO pay through negotiations with Mgmt.

Discuss...

 

[Mike man]

I think option B should be more like...

B) Wait 1 year until contract negotiations to negotiate a new F/O pay scale, only to have the company drag out negotiations for three years then file for mediation, have that drag out for three years and once a contract is settled on the F/O pay will only be slightly more than it is today.

So I pick option A

 

[Blade Runner]

I think option B should be more like...

B) Wait 1 year until contract negotiations to negotiate a new F/O pay scale, only to have the company drag out negotiations for three years then file for mediation, have that drag out for three years and once a contract is settled on the F/O pay will only be slightly more than it is today.

So I pick option A

Got to love ALPA, now that they have successfully driven a wedge between the pilot groups of bothMainline and the Regionals, they are wasting no time in doing the same between Captains and FOs. Nothing like telling the Company our Captains are really over paid. Lets see, 200 hour first officer lands a job, not in a 19 seat Metroliner (which by the way he/she could never handle), but a 76 seat Crj900. Add to that, they have, at the tender age of 20 something a guaranteed flow thru to Delta. Seems to me the earnings potential of these FO's far exceed the Captains. But it is all about the redistribution of wealth these days. Support ALPA PAC NOT!!

 

[planejockey]

Blade, that was way off!

I am not a supporter of ALPA but when you say stupid crap like "Seems to me the earnings potential of these FO's far exceed the Captains" you need to be schooled.

1. No one should get a pay cut.
2. No one is flying a Metro anymore so if you can find one operating for a good company, I am sure that 20 something guy will take that job.
3. FLOWs never work for the regional guys, it on the other hand works fine for the majors.
Ex.. COEX in 2001 when tons of CAL guys flowed back and COEX dudes hit the street. I think only 200 guys ever flowed up to CAL from the deal while CAL sent 500 plus.
EGL....need I say more?

BTW it is not a redistribution of wealth if you are giving it away for a small pay raise and a better hotel in Paris. Call it what it is and not blame Obama for it.

So please take your I am better than the RJ guys attitude back to the 90s. If you are a major guy, please realize that you are the reason there are 1000s of RJ out there. The regional giys want you to keep your scope dont throw it away and blame the guy who was hired because of your vote.

 

[Mike man]

So please take your I am better than the RJ guys attitude back to the 90s.

If you keep picking the scab it will never heal.

You are the only one who said anything about better than RJ guys...ever hear of a Freudian slip?

 

[DGdaPilot]

This sounds like something only a true brotherhood of pilots would do for each other. Shame on Mesaba ALPA! <sarcasm>

Seems like a great idea to me.

 

[Blade Runner]

Blade, that was way off!

I am not a supporter of ALPA but when you say stupid crap like "Seems to me the earnings potential of these FO's far exceed the Captains" you need to be schooled.

1. No one should get a pay cut.
2. No one is flying a Metro anymore so if you can find one operating for a good company, I am sure that 20 something guy will take that job.
3. FLOWs never work for the regional guys, it on the other hand works fine for the majors.
Ex.. COEX in 2001 when tons of CAL guys flowed back and COEX dudes hit the street. I think only 200 guys ever flowed up to CAL from the deal while CAL sent 500 plus.
EGL....need I say more?

BTW it is not a redistribution of wealth if you are giving it away for a small pay raise and a better hotel in Paris. Call it what it is and not blame Obama for it.

So please take your I am better than the RJ guys attitude back to the 90s. If you are a major guy, please realize that you are the reason there are 1000s of RJ out there. The regional giys want you to keep your scope dont throw it away and blame the guy who was hired because of your vote.

No one should get a pay cut, we agree on that point. FO's deserve more pay no doubt. I was too harsh in my description, I apologize. Thanks for pointing that out.

Second, I did fly the metro and worked part time nights at McDonalds. Never did I ask or expect ALPA to take money from Captains and give it to me. Nor would I have ever supported such a thing. I did however, expect ALPA to bargain with the Company to better our wages and conditions. Not to bargain with our Captains to better our wages and conditions. That sir/mam, is my point here.

The XJ flow does not work like Compass' flow for example. When one flows up only one can flow back. Your point is invalid in this case. The Captains and FO's will flow to Delta unless they say no. Yes they must be Captains but if movement does occur it will go quickly with projected retirements. that means these youngsters will retire Captains on wide body jets. Do the math.

I'm better than the RJ guys? OK, you've lost me. How did this become a question of scope? OH, I KNOW, that wedge ALPA so cunningly drove between Mainline and the Regionals. Apparently it has divide both you and I also. Let's not let that happen again, agreed?

 

[BoilerUP]

If the LOA were to pass, and FOs get a pay raise, will CAs be reduced from their *current* hourly rates? Or will their portion of the pay raise simply go to higher FO rates?

 

[Northern Lights]

If the LOA were to pass, and FOs get a pay raise, will CAs be reduced from their *current* hourly rates? Or will their portion of the pay raise simply go to higher FO rates?

Everyone gets raises. The original snapbacks were 4% for CAs and FOs. The proposed plan is supposedly "cost neutral" and would mean a 2.4% raise for captains and approx 8.4% raise for FOs.

 

[Raoul Duke]

CA should keep their pay raises and let the FOs fend for themselves