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needsumluv said:
You need to think of NWA as one big team including 9E and XJ. The person who can do the job most efficient should get the job. In that regard XJ and 9E should fly the 90 and 70 and 50 seaters. .

The problem with this is that NWA would have to come up with some serious cash to fund these planes while asking for concessions from their employees. I don't see that happening. The contracts w/ XJ and 9E would have to be renegotiated with NWA b/c I think they currently require them to get their planes through NWA. The solution that is best for NWA employees is to see a third airlink that provides their own planes.

And when everything is said and done, NWA employees are going to do what is best for NWA. It's their future and pensions that are on the line. They work in a partnership w/ XJ and 9E. The benefits although indirectly linked to NWA are not tied to NWA. Their benefits and wages are determined by those at the top of their company and is dependant on the deals each company has negotiated w/ NWA and the profit margins they would like to see for their stock holders. The NWA employee group is not going to change but although it is not likely, it is possible that neither XJ or 9E could remain an airlink partner w/ NWA in the years to come.

Some hypothetical questions, what if the pilots negotiated into their contracts that all flying had to be done by XJ and 9E? What would then happen if either of them refused to sign the contract and demanded to be paid much more? Would NWA be forced to pay substantial increases b/c the pilots had limited them in choice of partners? Would employees have to take more concessions to pay for this? What if the contract was dissolved? Could a totally different carrier then be brought in to fly any type they wanted b/c it was not in mainline's ta?
 
mjs said:
How would this be possible? NWA owns all the planes. They decide where they fly. They can't be used to fly anything BUT NWA routes. The TA for a 3rd partner included, if I am not wrong, that no funding of the planes could come from NWA. A third airlink partner would have to be totally owned and operated by another company w/out using any NWA $ or capital. In other words, be able to add more routes and market share w/out causing NWA to have to go deeper into debt. Any money available for aircraft purchase would be invested in mainline. I think the thought was if someone went under, they could easily pick up a partner that would be beneficial to all. It would help save jobs at the airlink and could add routes and capacity w/out significant investment.


If MAIR purchased, or created, a subsidiary with an operating certificate they would be free from the contractual language that restricts the operation of the additional 50-seaters as long as they purchased the airplanes themselves. Only Mesaba/Pinnacle Airlines and other affiliates of NWA are bared from operating these planes. MAIR holdings nor Pinnacle Holdings are owned by NW.

Pinnacle Holdings is nearing completion of a mirror image copy of the Pinnacle Airlines certificate presumable to try to capture this additional NWA flying or for flying opportunities with other carriers. Now that PNCL is free from debt to NWAC they may even be able to acccess the capital to finance the planes.

One thing is for certain neither 9E or XJ will have a chance at this, or any other, flying unless they have a readily accessible operating certificate.
 
Could the 44's go to XJ? why not? Could XJ get 70 seat Q400's? why not? that is beneath the scope of NWA MEC. Whould NWA do that to the NWA MEC? It is not below them, that is for sure.


NWALPA has all flying (regardless of propulsion) above 60 seats scoped.
 
It would be real interesting to see a NW guy in a TP again. Or for that matter, the first time ever. Even though propulsion doesn't matter above 60 seats, those cats aren't going to be caught dead in a prop. What would they tell their guard buddies?

Big Sky can fly 70 seaters for another brand, if Mesaba pilots fly 'em. NWA ALPA didn't scope MAIR out there. Just a thought.
 
NWA probably makes more money off a 69 seat Avro than they would an 85 seat Avro operated by mainline. With an 85 seat Avro they have NO 1st class seats to sell and they are paying NWA crews, rampies, mx, skeds, dispatchers, ect. ect. They are better off selling 16 1st class seats and 53 coach and paying XJ rates.
 
They are better off selling 53 coach seats and giving away 16 first class seats (any deadbeat can upgrade these days) and paying us to fly them.

1 NWA FA costs about 10-15 bucks more per hour than a XJ FO.
 

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