Mesaba Big Announcement on Friday

[Monster Buck]

Whats the matter DoinTime? Scared? Don't worry it will be your turn again in five to ten years. Make sure you get a good contract. Please tell me how this will be nothing and you know it. Or are you one of those that can't stand the thought that someone else has some hope of something good. I bet you told on everyone in 1st grade. Teachers pet?

cathal, are you sure your xj or can't you spell sour puss.

 

[DoinTime]

Whats the matter DoinTime? Scared? Don't worry it will be your turn again in five to ten years. Make sure you get a good contract. Please tell me how this will be nothing and you know it. Or are you one of those that can't stand the thought that someone else has some hope of something good. I bet you told on everyone in 1st grade. Teachers pet?

It was a joke! Relax! If anyone should be pissed its Comair guys.

I hope Mesaba does have some good news for you guys. Good Luck!

On a side note I just heard that Friday's big news is that the big news is being delayed for another day. Any ideas?

 

[Napoleon TNT]

There are only a few hour remaining for "business" friday...

...well, looks like we'll wait until monday...if not longer.

I just wasted a day of my life

 

[ILLINI]

"Big news" is generally released on Friday's after busines hours and after the markets close.

 

[cathal]

Bucky, I'm not entirely sure what you meant to say to me.
I am as sure that I'm XJ as I am sure that I dislike sour pus... Never mind.

 

[Habib]

How Ironic if CHQ ends up flying for NWA, and Bedford the old CEO of Mesaba ends up working for the Red Tails once more.

And even more strange is if CHQ does 70 seat flying for NWA, and gets the new cert. and then Republic Airlines will be flying for NWA, wow pax will never understand who they are on.

 

[cathal]

I don't think this will have anything to do with CHQ given what's been implied in here already.

 

[248to2.8]

I got the scoop, NWA, Mesaba, and Pinnacle are all merging into one big company to fly 70-90 seaters. They will drive all other regionals out of business and soon run the world. (Enter evil laugh here)

 

[Mel Sharples]

I got the scoop, NWA, Mesaba, and Pinnacle are all merging into one big company to fly 70-90 seaters.

From what I heard today, that may not be so far from the truth. Except it will be Mesaba, Pinnacle, and Champion to fly 70-seaters under a new company and then those people get NWA seniority numbers.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

Except it will be Mesaba, Pinnacle, and Champion to fly 70-seaters under a new company and then those people get NWA seniority numbers.

surely, you can't be serious?

 

[CubanSmoker]

From what I heard today, that may not be so far from the truth. Except it will be Mesaba, Pinnacle, and Champion to fly 70-seaters under a new company and then those people get NWA seniority numbers.

Mel,
You can't just throw that all out in one sentence.

Source? Details?

 

[othello]

"Friday, March 4, 2005

Many rumors have been swirling around Mesaba over the past several days, and I want to stress that we have nothing to announce. If we have something that is deemed significant and factual, we will communicate the information, as appropriate. "


From the Mesaba CEO.

 

[Mel Sharples]

Mel,
You can't just throw that all out in one sentence.

Source? Details?

I'll admit, it's hearsay...

BUT a friend of mine told me this afternoon that he just flew with an f/o who flew with Wychor earlier this week. He swears (again can't be verified, I know) that the deal is about flying 70-seaters for NWA on a new certificate (maybe Chicago Express???). The new entity would have XJ rules, pay to be determined, and would be made up of Pinnacle, Mesaba, and Champion pilots. Those people would then get seniority numbers and graduate to NWA when they hire again (if ever).

My thoughts:

1. Interesting if this is true.
2. The devil is in the details.
3. I have no idea how we could all fly under one banner.

But my friend said that is one the f/o said verbatim and he said he was serious. Now Wychor could be feeding him a line too. I don't know.

So take it for what it's worth.

 

[cathal]

All I know is this rumor/lack of info is making me insane. I'd just like to know what deciscions are being made about my career.
I hope for the best and expect very little.

 

[Mel Sharples]

All I know is this rumor/lack of info is making me insane. I'd just like to know what deciscions are being made about my career.
I hope for the best and expect very little.

I agree. It's a real kick in the nuts to know something is obviously up (as in the WHOLE MEC getting pulled during integration... the company never lets that happen unless it is in THEIR best interests) and all the union people won't say dick.

So you know SOMETHING is there. But no one will discuss the elephant in the room.

I love Spanjers message: "Nothing is happening. We'll tell you if and when something does." Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

 

[cathal]

Thats twice we've agreed in one thread. One of is is going to have to call the other a butthole soon.

 

[acaTerry]

surely, you can't be serious?

He is serious, and stop calling him Shirley.

 

[Habib]

Mel-

Besides sitting by your computer WAY too much, are you on crack?

Do you really think that NWA would take on their Sen. list all the pilots that Mesaba and Pinn. have hired, just because they are there.

Without going through the interview process?

I don't think some Gulfstream PFT will have a # at NWA, even though I would say that might be worth the 100K they paid.

 

[Mel Sharples]

Do you really think that NWA would take on their Sen. list all the pilots that Mesaba and Pinn. have hired, just because they are there.

Without going through the interview process?

Uhh... YES, it's called a "flow through." They actually discussed it off and on for a few years. And YES, by being on the list you can get a number. I don't know if NWA would have any say in it or not, but that has never come up before.

I also said that is what I HEARD, not what I want or think.

You obviously spend enough time here yourself. You'd think you could read better.

 

[DoinTime]

From what I heard today, that may not be so far from the truth. Except it will be Mesaba, Pinnacle, and Champion to fly 70-seaters under a new company and then those people get NWA seniority numbers.

That rumor is at least a month old. It strikes me funny that Wychor is the only one who knows anything about as it invovles all three Northwest sweatshops. The Pinnacle MEC and the Champion MEC know nothing about it.

 

[Habib]

Who would not want this to happen if they were flying a red tail, it is ok to admit you want this, I would.

You clearly have a hard-on for this or you would not have put 17/80 posts on here.

Just don't lie, man.

Plus, your avatar is making me sick, Ironicly true though.

Who would not trus their kid with him?

 

[cathal]

I'm looking down and... Yes! It's 12 o'clock.
(I'm hard for this)

 

[NuGuy]

Sorry guys,

I hate to ruin your fun BUT...the NWA MEC, while working on a plan for 70 seaters, has COME TO NO AGREEMENT with the company for aircraft to be flown and HAS NOT BEEN meeting with either the XJ, 9E or any other MECs in regard to additional aircraft, 70 seaters, flow through or any other matter. This is the official word.

Without an agreement from the NWA MEC, there are no 70 seaters...period...end of story. They can buy them, but unless there is an agreement OR NWA pilots flying them, they will be very pretty chock anchors. Anything else is pure BS.

If and when any agreement is made, you can bet that NWA pilots will have first dibs on any seats. The 70 seat subject is VERY sensitive, especially with guys on the street. The NWA MEC is in a position to dictate terms on this, so if the company really wants them, then they will have to agree to terms.

Nu

 

[needsumluv]

Ok Mr. Nu

What about another airline? Do NWA pilots "own their precious scope" on United or AWA?

Have fun flying those 70 seaters at less than regional rates... because that is what you will have to do to afford NWA mechanics, FA, Ramp agents that make 3 times the pay of a similar regional airline employees.

How about them apples

 

[cathal]

He was only trying to provide mainline perspective. He may be right, he may wrong. But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for.
No need to jump all over him. He knows no more than anyone else, according to that post.

 

[needsumluv]

I'm just keeping it real baby

 

[NuGuy]

Ok Mr. Nu

What about another airline? Do NWA pilots "own their precious scope" on United or AWA?

Have fun flying those 70 seaters at less than regional rates... because that is what you will have to do to afford NWA mechanics, FA, Ramp agents that make 3 times the pay of a similar regional airline employees.

How about them apples

Hey Toolboy,

What I should have said is "There won't be any 70 seaters flying for NWA without an agreement", and personally, thats all we care about.

Besides, from your profile, what do you care anyway? Besides, if SWA conquers the world, there won't be any RJs, Saabs or regional airlines anyway....

Nu

 

[Waylon]

Hey Nu Guy support your statement as this is official word. What MEC are you on? Why don't you just let us have a couple days of fun and think the sky will turn from grey to blue at XJ. The official word I heard is NWA will fly 70-90 seaters at the expense of there pension. I hope the 401K is better at NWA than at the regionals. Until you can support your official statement I think you are full of B.S.

 

[NuGuy]

Hey man,

That's the word I got today. There have been NO discussions with XJ, 9E or anyone else. The XJ/9E MECs may be meeting with their respective managements, but its not with the NWA MEC, and they have no idea what its about if they are. Without an agreement from the NWA pilots, the whole point is moot if its about flying under the NW code.

As far as sacrificing the pension for 70 seats...I don't know if I would go that far. There are discussions regarding the pension issue, but those talks are in no way related to the 70 seat talks.

Last word I heard, its either NWA pilots driving the metal, or forget the whole thing, we'll see you in 2 years. UAL, DAL and the others didn't really have a super big 100 seat category as a percentage of total airframes, but with 130+ DC-9-30s (100 seats), you can bet this is the third rail at NWA.

If you think I'm full of poop, then get in F@#in line, there are alot of people in front of you. It doesn't change the facts.

Nu

 

[needsumluv]

Last word I heard, its either NWA pilots driving the metal, or forget the whole thing

Nu

Talk is cheap I think.

The fact is NWA MGMT wants 70 seaters and they sure as heck don't want them flown by mainline. That is were the regionals come in.....

With your company 7 billion dollars in debt plus 3.9 billion owed in pension obligations you pretty much have to do what your MGMT says.

So you will come crying down to some regional about how you own your 70 seat flying and now you will release it with a jet for job deal or something like that.

This is inevitable.

You obviously are in the not know because your company has already begun negotiations on the 70 seaters as of FEB.