Mesaba Big Announcement on Friday

[Habib]

Who would not want this to happen if they were flying a red tail, it is ok to admit you want this, I would.

You clearly have a hard-on for this or you would not have put 17/80 posts on here.

Just don't lie, man.

Plus, your avatar is making me sick, Ironicly true though.

Who would not trus their kid with him?

 

[cathal]

I'm looking down and... Yes! It's 12 o'clock.
(I'm hard for this)

 

[NuGuy]

Sorry guys,

I hate to ruin your fun BUT...the NWA MEC, while working on a plan for 70 seaters, has COME TO NO AGREEMENT with the company for aircraft to be flown and HAS NOT BEEN meeting with either the XJ, 9E or any other MECs in regard to additional aircraft, 70 seaters, flow through or any other matter. This is the official word.

Without an agreement from the NWA MEC, there are no 70 seaters...period...end of story. They can buy them, but unless there is an agreement OR NWA pilots flying them, they will be very pretty chock anchors. Anything else is pure BS.

If and when any agreement is made, you can bet that NWA pilots will have first dibs on any seats. The 70 seat subject is VERY sensitive, especially with guys on the street. The NWA MEC is in a position to dictate terms on this, so if the company really wants them, then they will have to agree to terms.

Nu

 

[needsumluv]

Ok Mr. Nu

What about another airline? Do NWA pilots "own their precious scope" on United or AWA?

Have fun flying those 70 seaters at less than regional rates... because that is what you will have to do to afford NWA mechanics, FA, Ramp agents that make 3 times the pay of a similar regional airline employees.

How about them apples

 

[cathal]

He was only trying to provide mainline perspective. He may be right, he may wrong. But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for.
No need to jump all over him. He knows no more than anyone else, according to that post.

 

[needsumluv]

I'm just keeping it real baby

 

[NuGuy]

Ok Mr. Nu

What about another airline? Do NWA pilots "own their precious scope" on United or AWA?

Have fun flying those 70 seaters at less than regional rates... because that is what you will have to do to afford NWA mechanics, FA, Ramp agents that make 3 times the pay of a similar regional airline employees.

How about them apples

Hey Toolboy,

What I should have said is "There won't be any 70 seaters flying for NWA without an agreement", and personally, thats all we care about.

Besides, from your profile, what do you care anyway? Besides, if SWA conquers the world, there won't be any RJs, Saabs or regional airlines anyway....

Nu

 

[Waylon]

Hey Nu Guy support your statement as this is official word. What MEC are you on? Why don't you just let us have a couple days of fun and think the sky will turn from grey to blue at XJ. The official word I heard is NWA will fly 70-90 seaters at the expense of there pension. I hope the 401K is better at NWA than at the regionals. Until you can support your official statement I think you are full of B.S.

 

[NuGuy]

Hey man,

That's the word I got today. There have been NO discussions with XJ, 9E or anyone else. The XJ/9E MECs may be meeting with their respective managements, but its not with the NWA MEC, and they have no idea what its about if they are. Without an agreement from the NWA pilots, the whole point is moot if its about flying under the NW code.

As far as sacrificing the pension for 70 seats...I don't know if I would go that far. There are discussions regarding the pension issue, but those talks are in no way related to the 70 seat talks.

Last word I heard, its either NWA pilots driving the metal, or forget the whole thing, we'll see you in 2 years. UAL, DAL and the others didn't really have a super big 100 seat category as a percentage of total airframes, but with 130+ DC-9-30s (100 seats), you can bet this is the third rail at NWA.

If you think I'm full of poop, then get in F@#in line, there are alot of people in front of you. It doesn't change the facts.

Nu

 

[needsumluv]

Last word I heard, its either NWA pilots driving the metal, or forget the whole thing

Nu

Talk is cheap I think.

The fact is NWA MGMT wants 70 seaters and they sure as heck don't want them flown by mainline. That is were the regionals come in.....

With your company 7 billion dollars in debt plus 3.9 billion owed in pension obligations you pretty much have to do what your MGMT says.

So you will come crying down to some regional about how you own your 70 seat flying and now you will release it with a jet for job deal or something like that.

This is inevitable.

You obviously are in the not know because your company has already begun negotiations on the 70 seaters as of FEB.

 

[Napoleon TNT]

NWA 70-seat scope only is regards to pure-jet A/C.... Not props...


Q400's baby! Q400's.

 

[T-handle]

Union reps aren't talking specifics but whatever it brewing, they confirm "something" is brewing, some people will be happy, others won't, and it will come to a vote. Hmmm..... i can see where this will go.



So all of our MEC and LEC reps pulled off their trips and told to sign gag orders. And here is Spanjers on our company website:[font=TimesNewRoman,Bold]

Message to employees from John Spanjers
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Many rumors have been swirling around Mesaba over the past several days, and I want to stress that we have nothing to announce. If we have something that is deemed significant and factual, we will communicate the information, as appropriate.
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I want to thank all employees for the 100 percent completion factor on Thursday, and I ask that all of you remain focused on running a safe operation. If we have information to share with you, we will do so at the appropriate time.
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[westbound]

It's past my bedtime, I think I'm going to get some shuteye !!! It's been a long day of nothing!!
I hate rumors !!!!!!!!

 

[Waylon]

I guess the truth hurts sometimes.

 

[Ace McCoy]

Union Statement

From the MSA ALPA homepage posted at 5:45 pm:

Item 5: Your MEC was called into special session last Sunday, February 27th. Due to confidentiality agreements executed between ALPA and Mesaba management, we cannot divulge the reason for the meeting or any details about this weekâs events. Your MEC will have detailed communications forthcoming as we are able. There has been rumor and speculation on the flight line, at Mesaba, and even in outside public forums. Please remain patient.

 

[JohnDoe]

quote from waylon:

"I have nothing to lose, so I guarantee you, I will fly the 70 seaters cheaper than you with a smile knowing I am screwing people like YOU"


Nice.......real nice........

 

[Humty72]

Listen NuGuy, I am only going to write this once so please pay attention. NWA is out sourcing mechanics right and left and if you think your management team loves the pilots so much to leave them out of the out sourcing axe, then stop buying those street corner cigs and start buying some legal ones. THE REGIONALS ARE THE OUT SOURCING OF PILOTS! You are correct; the NWA MEC has to decide on the 70 seaters but I GUARANTEE FROM MY SOURCE it's coming out of YOUR pension if you want to fly them. I have nothing to lose, so I guarantee you, I will fly the 70 seaters cheaper than you with a smile knowing I am screwing people like YOU.

u r an idiot

 

[NuGuy]

All I have to say is "huh"?

People need to stop drinking before they post....sheesh...

1) NWA pilots were smart enough to lock up their flying as much as possible. Significant negotiating capital was traded in exchange for the current scope language. If other employee groups had different priorities, that was their choice.

2) The word is that the NWA negotiating committee hasn't even met over the 70 seat issue in the last two weeks. The current news regarding the XJ MEC has to do with their management. The NWA MEC was not a party to any talks or agreements. Anything else is pure rumor.

3) Unless there is some agreement with the pilots, NWA cannot use any 70 seaters. The quids that are required to complete such an agreement is entirely up to the NWA pilot group. If such an agreement cannot be reached, then the status quo will remain in place. The company is free to re-open the matter at the beginning of section 6 negotiations in two years.
Nu

 

[Redtailer]

Waylon,

Actually, Nu is right. Take it for what it's worth, but some of the NWA MEC members confirmed on the NWA ALPA board that there has been no negotiations with MSA or other entity taking place. They also said that there has been NO negotiations in regards to the 70 seaters in several weeks. Now you don't have to believe them that is your choice, but it is what it is.

As far as the pension is concerned, once again Nu has it right. There is no direct connection between the pension and the 70 seaters. The closest thing to it you can draw from this is the proposal a while back that any NWA pilot flying the 70 seater would not accrue longevity for retirement. This was part of a proposal for the bridge agreement which was ultimately dropped. They re-entered negotiations in Jan for the 70 seaters and as stated before the last meeting was weeks ago. Anything that you may have thought you heard about the negotiations is pure speculation. There are no agreements in place, nor has the MEC approached the group with any information regarding the progress of the negotiations.

Now this is what IS happening with the pensions. The union has decided to work with NWA to freeze the DB plan and try to get everone fully vested in the program. At the same time both groups are trying to help push pension reform through congress that may help conserve cash. The last step is that the MEC will work with the company to implement some sort of DC plan which has not yet been defined.

NOTE: The retirement issue is completely seperate from all of the other issues and is being negotiated on it's own. Source: NWA MEC

With these facts in mind we can return to the discussion of the 70 seaters. The position of the union is this: 70 seaters WILL be flown by NWA pilots. Without BK, NWA will not get 70 seaters unless NWA pilots are flying them. The trick is making it cost effective which is the reason for the negotiations. This idea of trading the pensions for the 70 seater is a bogus argument because those negotiations are being handled seperately. If the NWA pilots don't like the terms then NWA will not have them. It is really that simple. I'm sorry if this doesn't jive with your hopes and dreams, but this is the reality of it.

I have nothing to lose, so I guarantee you, I will fly the 70 seaters cheaper than you with a smile knowing I am screwing people like YOU.

Well, now that just speaks volumes about your character. You must have been one of the original FREEDUMB guys that backstabbed their co-workers.

So you will come crying down to some regional about how you own your 70 seat flying and now you will release it with a jet for job deal or something like that.

This is inevitable.

Needsumluv,

I have to disagree this is not inevitable. I want to be clear about this. At no time has any union member or negotiator used the term jet for job. I think you are underestimating how committed to keeping that flying on the property the union really is. Those other carriers that put this type of system in to place were in BK or really close to it. NWA is not in that situation yet. Jet 4 Jobs was not nice for the mainline guys. If NWA MEC can come up with a scheme that works then so be it.

 

[T-handle]

Some will like, some won't ? Gotta give to get new airplanes? Vote?

I sense seatlocks on a particular pilot group, pay freezes and/or cuts. Deja vu......