Mesa pilots don't want a pay raise!!!

[CitationLover]

I spent over 800 hours on the 1900 at Skyway, never thought that it was beneath me.

my respect for you has just gone up.

curious, why did you come to eagle if you spent a year (i'm guessing based on the time you gave) at skyway?

 

[ImRickJames]

Um, yeah, Eagle does not have any B190's. And our 401K, and benefits are some of the best around.

Good luck with the retirement when your investing your first ten years as an FO. WoW, you seriously are thinking about your 401K from Eagle for retirement. Here is some free advice. Upgade after 10 years, then spend five years as a junior RSV capt, then five more years building PIC time then get hired on a Major carrier, passenger or cargo, your preference. Then enjoy five years till you retire as a junior FO there and then you can spend your 401K.

I usually charge for that type of financial advice, but for you its free, since you are pretty smart and have your career path well planned.

 

[eaglefly]

How long have you been at eagle. How's your retirement package?

Like ALL other regional carriers and now most majors, we only have a 401(k). But in comparing our 401(k) even with non-aviation companies, it is actually quite good.

20 years with Eagle gives my 100% matching at 8%. Started it 14 years ago and now at 330K. A fidelity fund at half that is actually doing better because of more flexable investment options. With 15+ years to go (20 if they raise the retirement age), I'll be O.K.

One and a half other side businesses bring in slightly more than my annual Eagle pay, so I'll bail when my efforts are no longer rewarded appropriately. 4 weeks annual vacation at Eagle (every third month) not too bad either.

At any rate, 8 year RJ captain makes about 75K........could be better, but not at places like NWA or most fractionals/corporate.

Want anything from that ethically bankrupt "leader" there.

You'll have to take it to the wire and STRIKE.

The typical ALPA negotiated result will have you equal to us AT BEST.

I don't see it with all those 24-year old wide-eyed kids running around with sleeping boards just happy to fly a shiny jet instead of a dirty 172.

Too many of them at Mesa and virtually NONE are aware of the history of this profession and don't care.............too much "me,me, PIC" going on.

Most would rsther wallow in their own feces for the promise of something better elswhere. Johnny knows it, knows you and will prove it.

Mesa pilots don't have the guts to take a stand.

 

[pilot772]

With support from Jacka$$'s like you there is no way Mesa pilots take a stand. Mesa pilots need the support of ALL regional pilots when the contract comes up, which is amendable in about 9 months. If no support is given and guys like you keep spouting off about how Mesa pilots would "rather wallow in there own feces" as you put it than what motivation is there for mesa to hold the line. the pilots will just take a deal for growth to suit themselves.

Like ALL other regional carriers and now most majors, we only have a 401(k). But in comparing our 401(k) even with non-aviation companies, it is actually quite good.

20 years with Eagle gives my 100% matching at 8%. Started it 14 years ago and now at 330K. A fidelity fund at half that is actually doing better because of more flexable investment options. With 15+ years to go (20 if they raise the retirement age), I'll be O.K.

One and a half other side businesses bring in slightly more than my annual Eagle pay, so I'll bail when my efforts are no longer rewarded appropriately. 4 weeks annual vacation at Eagle (every third month) not too bad either.

At any rate, 8 year RJ captain makes about 75K........could be better, but not at places like NWA or most fractionals/corporate.

Want anything from that ethically bankrupt "leader" there.

You'll have to take it to the wire and STRIKE.

The typical ALPA negotiated result will have you equal to us AT BEST.

I don't see it with all those 24-year old wide-eyed kids running around with sleeping boards just happy to fly a shiny jet instead of a dirty 172.

Too many of them at Mesa and virtually NONE are aware of the history of this profession and don't care.............too much "me,me, PIC" going on.

Most would rsther wallow in their own feces for the promise of something better elswhere. Johnny knows it, knows you and will prove it.

Mesa pilots don't have the guts to take a stand.

 

[CitationLover]

With support from Jacka$$'s like you there is no way Mesa pilots take a stand. Mesa pilots need the support of ALL regional pilots when the contract comes up, which is amendable in about 9 months. If no support is given and guys like you keep spouting off about how Mesa pilots would "rather wallow in there own feces" as you put it than what motivation is there for mesa to hold the line. the pilots will just take a deal for growth to suit themselves.

what growth?!?!

us airways doesn't like them. you think freedom will stay a delta feeder if this deal goes through?

they can't even cover their flying they have now.

good luck in 2007. listen to angelo, he knoweth what he speaketh about.

 

[siucavflight]

my respect for you has just gone up.

curious, why did you come to eagle if you spent a year (i'm guessing based on the time you gave) at skyway?

I spent a little over a year at Skyway, and could have made CA within the next year there. My reason for Eagle was more personal than anything, Skyway was a great place to work. But I live a little south of ORD and the drive to MKE was getting very old, and I was not about to sell my house, so went to Eagle to get closer to home.

 

[CitationLover]

I spent a little over a year at Skyway, and could have made CA within the next year there. My reason for Eagle was more personal than anything, Skyway was a great place to work. But I live a little south of ORD and the drive to MKE was getting very old, and I was not about to sell my house, so went to Eagle to get closer to home.

you and i have a lot in common. i had a little time (350 hours) in the left seat at air midwest and was there for roughly 700 hours in the beech. please tell me you're a sox fan (southsider then). cubs suck!

 

[HelloNewman]

Lets just say if I got hired at any airline and my only option was the B-1900 I would straight up turn it down. Not because im against turbo props but because QOL flat out sucks on the turbo props. I gotta look out for the intrests of me and my family. I suggest anyone else offered a B-1900 slot straight up turn it down unless they give you good reason to accept it.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Lets just say if I got hired at any airline and my only option was the B-1900 I would straight up turn it down. Not because im against turbo props but because QOL flat out sucks on the turbo props. I gotta look out for the intrests of me and my family. I suggest anyone else offered a B-1900 slot straight up turn it down unless they give you good reason to accept it.

Are you speaking from your extensive experience?

Generally, the proptrash have better schedules and shorter reserve times because the seniority level is lower. That makes up for the job being slightly more difficult.

 

[hoover]

RTFP!

JohhnyO's email to the pilots posturing for the company's opener for the new contract and possible rebuttal to the NO Confidence vote of the ENTIRE Pilot group in the current Management team.

Lets see what supporting Mesa does during this time while they're trying to unify against Orenstein.

Why the vote of no confidence? Is your company losing money? Is there no growth? Have there been furloughs?

JO is an a$$hole, but he has demonstrated he can run a profitable airline, which is what you need if you want to stay employed.

 

[siucavflight]

Lets just say if I got hired at any airline and my only option was the B-1900 I would straight up turn it down. Not because im against turbo props but because QOL flat out sucks on the turbo props. I gotta look out for the intrests of me and my family. I suggest anyone else offered a B-1900 slot straight up turn it down unless they give you good reason to accept it.

Wow, probably the least informed opinion I have ever read on here.

And CitationLover-----Sox SUCK!!!

 

[lowlycfi]

Why the vote of no confidence? Is your company losing money? Is there no growth? Have there been furloughs?

JO is an a$$hole, but he has demonstrated he can run a profitable airline, which is what you need if you want to stay employed.

Are you kidding?

 

[HelloNewman]

Are you speaking from your extensive experience?

Generally, the proptrash have better schedules and shorter reserve times because the seniority level is lower. That makes up for the job being slightly more difficult.

I know people who have worked on the plane. Fun to fly but the worst experience of their life. A lot of 1900 flying is doing EAS stuff. Not all but a good portion of it. This means living in crappy outstations, low pay even after first year, potential moving a lot due to change in EAS flying. I have a former student who was offered a job at mesa. They offered him a class in the 1900. I advised him to not even show up as he deserves to be treated better than that. Best advice I ever gave him he now works for a better place and didn't have to take all that abuse.

I am not against flying turboprops I am however against the way the 1900 pilots are treated. This is why I advise anyone who is given the B-1900 at any airline to not show up for class. The only way it would be profitable is if you can get a really fast upgrade. Honestly though where are you going to go with just 1000 hrs of 1900 PIC? It could happen but a long shot. Now flying the bigger turbo props like the dash or brasillia isn't nearly as bad. Unless were talking great lakes then its bad no matter what. I guess if you could get based where you live and not have to move the 1900 wouldn't be so bad. Other than that the abuse simply isn't worth it.

 

[JohnnyP]

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Honestly though where are you going to go with just 1000 hrs of 1900 PIC? It could happen but a long shot. Now flying the bigger turbo props like the dash or brasillia isn't nearly as bad. Unless were talking great lakes then its bad no matter what. I guess if you could get based where you live and not have to move the 1900 wouldn't be so bad. Other than that the abuse simply isn't worth it.

I think your a little off base. People get hired often with only turboprop PIC time----dash, beech, doesnt matter. The larger carriers are doing it, the overseas carriers are hiring guys with only turboprop PIC, not a longshot at all whatsoever, like you stated.

 

[siucavflight]

HelloNewman, you seem to be seriously misinformed. What type of work are you doing right now? The question is where couldnt you go with 1000 hours of 1900 PIC? If you get 1000 hours of PIC in the 1900 that means that you now have 1000 hours turbine PIC, and lets see you could pretty much go anywhere that is hiring and requiring 1000 turbine PIC.