Mesa and Delta...It's official

[DASHDRIVER]

what I don't get is how anyone even mesa can underbid the rates of skyway. I mean, has anyone seen what they pay there captains? Its really low!

 

[JI Gone OH]

never mind

Yeah, never mind....

 

[smoknjoe]

Flychicaga

Posted by flychicaga.

Ok, please correct the glowing grammatical and spelling errors so I can halfway understand this post and I'll try to respond. Thanks

Well that was easy for you.

Take care.

Joe.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Lets face it, CMR and ASA overpays its pilots. In order to be competitive, this cost will have to come down. Just as mainline narrowbody flying has been replaced by RJs and LCC's, now certain RJ operators are being replaced by more competitve providers. RJ pilot wages will only bear what the market will pay. Unfortunately for CMR and ASA, that market is far below your current rate. From a business standpoint, DAL is smart to outsource RJ flying to cheaper providers. Even Mesa will soon be undercut by XYZ. I'd guess the CMR and ASA will soon be spun off and have to market its product to multiple mainline carriers. These mainline carriers will offer bids to the CMRs, ASAs, Gojets, Whiskeys, and Republics, etc etc. Sink or swim on your own........Welcome to the the Big Leagues

Really, overpaid? Are you? No? Then why would we be? Get a f--king clue. "Mainline narrowbody flying being replaced by RJ's and LCC's". Sounds like DELTA management making the decisions about where "mainline narrowbody flying" is going. Yeah, ASA and Comair have ALL the say in the world when it comes to where they fly to and with what equipment.....

 

[FDJ2]

That's because the CAL pilots actually did something to counter Lorenzo.

Did they succeed? I guess that depends, certainly CAL is still here.

 

[FDJ2]

Drag :


A union which brings pilots together creates a monopoly on this replacement labor and elevates the profession.

If the RJDC lawsuit wins, will there be a monopoly on labor? If the RJDC wins in court will ALPA be allowed to negotiate, let's say scope clauses that control the DL code and prevent DAL from outsourcing 777s to Freedom, Mesa, PCL, Mesaba etc.?

Get back to me on that one. It seems you RJDC folks just don't like answering those questions.

 

[bitememesa]

I just think its funny that the Comair VARS was out like 4 minutes after the announcement to totally denounce the situation. It took Mesa's MEC 2 days and a bogus complaint of "our internet was down" (isn't THAT the Mesa way?). It's ridiculous. Our own UNION has been whipsawed...the management loving hippies.

Our MEC won't get away with it this time. MAG pilots want to see the return of Freedum about as much as we want to impregnate a PHL F/A. Regardless if Freedumb is ALPA, is non-union, is whatever...no one wants the stigma of working for the most controversial airline in recent history.

Any questions though about how things are at Mesa? Apparently our other code-shares think we're doing a pretty good job...we haven't gotten a cease and desist order from United in at least 6 months, US Airways ain't complaining and America West...well they have no other choice.

Thank you all for your total misunderstanding of our operation, our pilot group, our MEC team (and your impressive confidence in them) and last but not least, for listening to anyone who believes we have "like...300 open grievances"

Pissha!

 

[greenpickle]

Not quite

what I don't get is how anyone even mesa can underbid the rates of skyway. I mean, has anyone seen what they pay there captains? Its really low!

It was the fact that Delta didn't want the FRJ's. Skyway is/was ready to fly that equipment and that equipment only. Back off of the cpt pay thing. Our pilot group and union were very happy with the progress that we made with our contract. We were a post 9/11 contract and we did well for ourselves while being reasonable. I think we are the poster children for significant and productive progress with a contract.

I have said it beforeand I will say it again. You can make fun of me, my FO, my wife, or my dog, but leave Skyway alone. We have done very well for ourselves without being stupid.

GP

 

[Propsync]

what I don't get is how anyone even mesa can underbid the rates of skyway. I mean, has anyone seen what they pay there captains? Its really low!

You don't get it because you're retarded.

Just to clue you in, we only fly 'little' 32 seat airplanes, we're not big jet jocks like yourself. On a per seat comparison, who makes more? I think you should make a lot more because you fly a 100 seat airplane, thanks for bringing me down. We make just as much and just a little bit more than most D8-100 and S340 guys out there, which is more our pay comparison, not a 50 seater. BTW, even though we don't have any, our 50 SEAT rates are mostly the same as everyone else.

Also dork, regional agreements are not just based on pilot pay. Thanks for calling.

 

[ShadowFlight]

GP and Propsync,

Don't bother arguing with DashDriver - some people are clueless about Skyway and will always be that way.

DashDriver,

Make you a deal. YOU worry about what happens at ZW and us SYX people will worry about what happens at our company. Fair enough? Don't worry - we won't drag down the industry like others since we only fly a "little" jet.

Peace

SF

 

[N2264J]

What is your take on the hypothetical outline of the "new" Air Wisconsin scope re US Airways? Would you be content if that type of scope appeared in a contract affecting the Delta pilots? Would you feel that efforts to prevent it were unreasonable and without legal merit?

I just wonder how double your standard really is? Do you have the guts to tell me and the rest of the audience?

N, Surplus asked a question that has nothing to do with the fact that the RJDC through their lawsuit would eliminate scope...But if you must know, I didn't read the RJDC hypothetical scenario, I tend to live in the real world...Now answer my questions, if you can.

I don't think it's lost on anyone here that you still haven't addressed Surplus1's questions?

I suspect you really have read the Air Wisconsin/US Airways scenario in the RJDC update but it occurs to me that you can't answer without looking like a hypocrite and/or a fool. So you clumsily side step the embarrassment by asking questions we've been answering here and on the ALPA board, for four years now while repeating the lie that the lawsuit seeks to end all scope.

Not all "regional" pilots are as gullible as you think we are and your dancing around the question is really an answer in itself. Noted.

 

[greenpickle]

Yeh

You don't get it because you're retarded.

Just to clue you in, we only fly 'little' 32 seat airplanes, we're not big jet jocks like yourself. On a per seat comparison, who makes more? I think you should make a lot more because you fly a 100 seat airplane, thanks for bringing me down. We make just as much and just a little bit more than most D8-100 and S340 guys out there, which is more our pay comparison, not a 50 seater. BTW, even though we don't have any, our 50 SEAT rates are mostly the same as everyone else.

Also dork, regional agreements are not just based on pilot pay. Thanks for calling.

Yeh, what Propsync said!!!

 

[ILLINI]

So Mesa gets in bed with Delta and from what i've heard they took over the Do328JETs.

Hmmmmm... I wonder if they will be using those on the United side to fly into Aspen to replace AWACs 146's???

 

[FDJ2]

I don't think it's lost on anyone here that you still haven't addressed Surplus1's questions?

N, how nice and misleading of you to edit my response to Surplus in order to mislead the reader. Did you think I wouldn't catch that. Shame on you.

Here's the part you left out in the middle of what you quoted I said:



However, judging by your question dealing with demands from Mesa/Skywest etc., that's nothing new, demands are made all the time in collective bargaining. Do I like demands? No, but at the end of the day I'd have the CBA that was negotiated and ratified and whether I liked it or not is irrelevant. I didn't want a pay cut, I didn't want my DB frozen, or PBS, or more 70 seaters at DCI, or E jets at DCI, but whether I like it or not doesn't really matter, its what was negotiated.




I suspect you really have read the Air Wisconsin/US Airways scenario in the RJDC update but it occurs to me that you can't answer without looking like a hypocrite and/or a fool.

No, I really haven't. Does it matter, it's just a hypothetical, you can keep pulling those out of your arse all day.

So you clumsily side step the embarrassment by asking questions we've been answering here and on the ALPA board, for four years now while repeating the lie that the lawsuit seeks to end all scope.

No, you've refused to answer those questions repeatedly. Notice that you still haven't answered those questions. I wonder why, perhaps it would point out the deceit which is all too common in RJDC rhetoric.

Not all "regional" pilots are as gullible as you think we are and your dancing around the question is really an answer in itself. Noted.

I haven't danced around the question. Here's the short answer for you N. I wouldn't like the scenario where we would have to give up more of our scope and job protections. I would work hard to negotiate the best deal possible given whatever circumstances are presented. At the end of the day we would have a negotiated CBA and whether I like it or not is irrelevant.

Now how about you quit dodging the questions and answer them. I suspect you'll do what Surplus does, dodge the issue.

 

[N2264J]

I haven't danced around the question.

You still refuse to answer the questions Surplus put to you.

Your avoidance of Surplus' questions is itself, a revealing answer.

It's been noted.