Mesa and Delta...It's official

[surplus1]

As for the U situation, that's a whole different story and is not part of the RJDC lawsuit which seeks to abrogate the scope language in the DAL CBA.

Avoiding a question by attempting to answer with a series of new questions won't get off the ground with me.

The issue is Scope and the hypothesis in the RJDC Update is decidedly pertinent. Did your rread it? If you did not, I'll post it for you.

As soon as you have answered my questions, I will answer yours. C'mon, it's not that hard.

If that scenario were imposed on the Delta pilots, what would you as a Delta pilot do? Would you accept it or would you not?

You need to get it through your head that "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander." Would you accept what you consider to be your flying controlled by another airline's Scope clause? Don't beat around the bush, it's a simple Yes or No.

Would you like your aircraft (whatever it may be) to be classified as a "permitted large aircraft type" and limited in number by another airline's Scope clause? Yes or No.

It's not rocket science.

 

[JI Gone OH]

hy·poc·ri·sy (hi-pok-ri-se)
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
3. Chautauqua pilot expressing dismay at being undercut by like minded pilots from another bottom feeding airline.

Priceless!

 

[Rook]

This is just F---ing great.

Understatement of the year. Lot of us agree.

Rook

 

[uba757]

I cant imagine answering the question "Who do you fly for?" With COMAIR part of the MESA CONNECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. UBA757

 

[FlyChicaga]

I wonder how cost-effective Mesa would be if they actually honored their pilot contract. Really, how does it feel Mesa pilots, to have what... 3000 outstanding grievances? Isn't it time to grow a pair and stand up for the sh*t you negotiated? It's bad enough your contract sucks balls, but then you let JO and company walk all over you and not even honor it?

Disgusting. "Oh, let's picket! Let's picket!" Might as well have been picking your nose. At least then you would have had something to show for your efforts.

 

[islandhopper]

Johnny O rides again!

 

[JetProp]

The beginning of the end for Delta..

 

[smoknjoe]

MAG grievances

Upon imlementation of PBS, MAG will have some 15-20 outstanding grievances.
How about you're company.
Needless to say the neg and griev comm's have been very busy in the last several months.
With that being said, of course all is not roses at MAG.
Far from it.
But we are trying HARD, VERY HARD.

This is my first post on this lounge, i have just been watching for a while.
I am mostly confused by the fact that ,among fellow ALPA carriers, Pilot are blaming Pilots for MGMT decisions among multiple companies.

I do not think most,or any of you have any idea about what things are like at MAG.
OR WHY.
And i dont type well enough or fast enough to educate you, so my responces to any future MAG bashing will be limited.

Take Care.

Joe.

 

[CapnVegetto]

I wonder how cost-effective Mesa would be if they actually honored their pilot contract. Really, how does it feel Mesa pilots, to have what... 3000 outstanding grievances? Isn't it time to grow a pair and stand up for the sh*t you negotiated? It's bad enough your contract sucks balls, but then you let JO and company walk all over you and not even honor it?

Disgusting. "Oh, let's picket! Let's picket!" Might as well have been picking your nose. At least then you would have had something to show for your efforts.

I used to work there.......you have no idea how right you are.

 

[DrewBlows]

Upon imlementation of PBS, MAG will have some 15-20 outstanding grievances.
How about you're company.
Needless to say the neg and griev comm's have been very busy in the last several months.
With that being said, of course all is not roses at MAG.
Far from it.
But we are trying HARD, VERY HARD.

This is my first post on this lounge, i have just been watching for a while.
I am mostly confused by the fact that ,among fellow ALPA carriers, Pilot are blaming Pilots for MGMT decisions among multiple companies.

I do not think most,or any of you have any idea about what things are like at MAG.
OR WHY.
And i dont type well enough or fast enough to educate you, so my responces to any future MAG bashing will be limited.

Take Care.

Joe.

Smokenjoe,
There is plenty of management bashing on this board as well.

As far as pilot bashing, you have to put yourself in someone elses shoes to understand. When company A is awarded a contract because it significantly underbid company B, it stands to reason that the employees of company B who will be out of a job will be upset. It also stands to reason that the employees of companies C, and D might become upset over the possibility that company A will underbid their existing contracts when company X (the contracting company) files bankruptcy in the fall. Especially when the employees of company C are in contract negociations and the management of that company will undoubtably compare their contract to company A.

Whew, that was fun. Let's see if anyone can guess who company's A, B, C, D, and X are.




Note: I'm drinking Dos Equis (XX) in celebration of Cinco de Mayo, so give me a break.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Note: I'm drinking Dos Equis (XX) in celebration of Cinco de Mayo, so give me a break.

And we're into our third bottle of wine, so I may be a bit off, but...... X is Eastern, right??

 

[DrewBlows]

And we're into our third bottle of wine, so I may be a bit off, but...... X is Eastern, right??

No, X is half a beer.

 

[smoknjoe]

First thing first.

I am an IPA guy myself. The more hops the better.


I was'nt aware the guy's from B were about to be out of work. Correct me if i'm wrong.
I was under the impression B and C were both still taking A/C for X.
In this case A is taking flying left by E because they went out on their own.
And A is sertainly familliar with someone underbidding them, even at the current cost structure. A lost flying to F who underbid with X in fl and company Y out west.

And (an explenation since many dont know/care), the issues percived with A exist because the pilots at A had to give in a situation i do not wish on any of you. Fighting a non-union company, Bringing back pilots at a company who would not give into whipsaw tackticks etc etc.
All so as to live to fight another day.

Joe

 

[FlyChicaga]

I was'nt aware the guy's from B were about to be out of work. Correct me if i'm wrong.

The way I see it, the whole Do-Jet deal gone bad is how guys from "B" (Skyway) are going out of work because of Mesa. Friends of mine are possibly on the chopping block because they were underbid. Yes, there were other reasons of course. There are always other reasons.

I guess you guys should be proud of your new contract. You were able to cost-effectively nab more feed. As opposed to offering a more competitve service to gain market share. Like the way a cheap-ass will buy an engagement ring for his girlfriend at Wal-Mart as opposed to Tiffany's. It's the right price for what his broke-ass can pay, but you know if he had a better income he'd be at the other joint getting a quality product.

 

[DrewBlows]

The way I see it, the whole Do-Jet deal gone bad is how guys from "B" (Skyway) are going out of work because of Mesa. Friends of mine are possibly on the chopping block because they were underbid. Yes, there were other reasons of course. There are always other reasons.

Bingo, you win a beer. I sent it to your local bar, you can pick it up after paying a shipping and handling fee of $3.50.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

WELCOME MESA!

 

[smoknjoe]

Flychicaga

You must have missed this part.

And (an explenation since many dont know/care), the issues percived with A exist because the pilots at A had to give in a situation i do not wish on any of you. Fighting a non-union company, Bringing back pilots at a company who would not give into whipsaw tackticks etc etc.
All so as to live to fight another day.

If you did'nt i can only asume that you have not taken an active part in to many section six negotiations and you have not been with an airline very long.
I say that because some things can only be learned or experiensed over time.

Take care.

Joe.

 

[FDJ2]

Avoiding a question by attempting to answer with a series of new questions won't get off the ground with me. /QUOTE]

Surplus, you are the one changing the discussion, which was the RJDC's lawsuit to eliminate scope. I can understand that, since an honest examination of the RJDC Lawsuit, something you don't seem to want to discuss, would reveal that the RJDC seeks to use the courts to eliminate scope.

Surplus, I have flown for a contract carrier flying someone elses code before, and yes I accepted the fact that it was not my code. Big deal, get hired by someone who owns their own freight. I've talen scope concessions before at DAL. Do I like it? No. However, I respect my CBA and those of other ALPA pilots, whether I like it or not.

Now answer my questions, if you can.

 

[FDJ2]

Priceless!

never mind

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Sad though that Delta thinks they can squeeze every penny and expect Quality service. You think DL would have learned from the Comair computer fiasco that pinching pennies will cost them in the long-term. I can only hope the geniuses at DCI have a good handle on risk management extending through all six DCI carriers. If anything happens, Delta will do the usual and- 'defer all media questions to (insert guitly airline's name here).'