McCain to lose pilot vote block.

[SaturnPilot]

For those that dug up those old Mccane bills, thank you. I knew he was anti-labor, but had know idea how anti-pilot he really was

Here is some more...this is a questionnaire sent out by ALPA during the 2000 campaign which he answered (he declined to answer the questionnaire this round stating it as his policy, yet he has answered numerous questionnaires from other organizations):

https://crewroom.alpa.org/DesktopMo...iew.aspx?itemid=12542&ModuleId=1068&TabId=202

highlights:

Q: Currently, U.S. law prohibits foreign interests from owning or controlling U.S. airlines. Do you believe this policy should be (a) relaxed, (b) maintained, (c) strengthened or (d) eliminated?
John McCain: I believe this policy should be relaxed. Consistent with the goals of airline deregulation, liberalized competition and entry in the market should enhance service and lower air fares. I have sponsored legislation in the past that would increase the permissible level of foreign investment from 25 to 49 percent...

Q: Foreign airlines are currently prohibited by U.S. law from carrying revenue passengers between U.S. cities, a practice known as cabotage. Do you believe this policy should be (a) relaxed, (b) maintained, (c) strengthened or (d) eliminated.
John McCain: I believe that the U.S. policy on cabotage should be relaxed. Foreign airlines could provide much needed competition on domestic airline routes, which would result in lower fares for the benefit of consumers.

Q: International aviation agreements are not currently included under the jurisdiction of larger trade pacts such as the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) or the North American Free Trade Agreements (NAFTA). This limits the government’s ability to trade U.S. airlines’ international operational rights for non-airline goods and services that are covered by such trade agreements. Do you favor making it possible for international aviation agreements to be negotiated just like other GATT and NAFTA items?
John McCain: In the past, I have opposed measures to include air transportation service under the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade. That said, I would consider and am open to any proposal to promote open skies agreements between the United States and foreign countries.

McCain = a HUGE loss of OUR JOBS!

 

[UALjan15]

Really, what else needs to be said? Any pilot who votes for McCain can take PCL's rusty steak knife and do the job themselves or wait for McCain to do it for them.

 

[pilotyip]

easy way out

My only duty is to fly airplanes.

taking the easy way out, have fun flying

 

[PCL_128]

taking the easy way out, have fun flying

The fact that you consider flying to be the "easy way out" says everything we need to know about you. Go back to your cubicle so you can suck off your supervisor in private.

 

[pilotyip]

Hey be nice!

The fact that you consider flying to be the "easy way out" says everything we need to know about you. Go back to your cubicle so you can suck off your supervisor in private.

Hey you are suppose to be nice, saying bad things is not nice. Flying is the easiest part of my job, the part I don't do as often as I like event though I do it for free and what you don't like flying, you don't have fun doing it? Why are you a pilot. Oh! I forgot you are in for money, respect and recognition. BTW You have PIC type rating in the 9 yet? Have fun

 

[PCL_128]

Hey you are suppose to be nice, saying bad things is not nice.

I don't say nice things to hostile managers.

Flying is the easiest part of my job.......event though I do it for free

You really are a disgrace.

 

[pilotyip]

Hostile

I don't say nice things to hostile managers. You really are a disgrace.

What have I every done that was hostile to you? Have I ever crossed a picket line? Have I ever turned you donw for a job, have I ever stuck you with the Beer tab at the "Wedge". You have never meet me, or worked with or for me, so how are you an expert on my hostility? BTW John is the man, get used to it.

 

[PCL_128]

What have I every done that was hostile to you? Have I ever crossed a picket line? Have I ever turned you donw for a job, have I ever stuck you with the Beer tab at the "Wedge". You have never meet me, or worked with or for me, so how are you an expert on my hostility?

Your anti-pilot and pro-management posts on this board are enough for me to know everything I need to know about you.

 

[pilotyip]

sounds like narrow thinking

Your anti-pilot and pro-management posts on this board are enough for me to know everything I need to know about you.

But then you are really a smart college degree and all, knows about pay for training and the other good airline stuff. I will gladly share a beer at "Wedge" any time you come throught, of course you have to buy the beer, but I will autograph the napkin for you. Basic Indoc graduation party 3-11-08 1800, I am buying the pizza and serving USA Jet "Kool Aid"

 

[FlickerFade]

It appears you have bought off on Federalist Society propaganda.

Hamilton was afraid of exactly what has happened. He did not want people to come to believe that the enumerated rights were the only rights. He was able to convince Madision, and as a result the 9th amendment was included in the BOR. It states in plain language that there are, in fact, many other fundamental individual rights. The 10th was added for similar reasons, but to protect the States.


We have no idea the founders' views on modern healthcare woes, that is a ridiculous argument. It is irrelevant anyway, since healthcare is a matter of good policy, not of rights.

Don't call me lad. I am older than you, and have two advanced degrees. Two of my schools were top of their fields, the other one was in Georgia. (TIC, I know that Georgia has great schools, including Mercer). You brought up education, though I don't know why.

Sorry for all the thread drift, but to summarize:

-We need massive changes to our healthcare system.

-Airline management will screw pilots at every turn, and use arguments like "high CASM" to line their own pockets.

-Mercer university professors were unable to teach at least one student the nuances of the Constitution, the Federalists, and Anti-Federalists.

-McCain is one of my heroes, but there is no freaking way I will vote for him. The country can't take another Republican, and pilots can't take his policies.

-I'm done, I need to do something constructive.

First of all, "tittyjet" Alexander Hamilton was the brains behind the formation of this here Republic. He was by far more influential than Jefferson.

I don't know where men like Hamilton would have taken the Article:1 Section: 8 Clause: 18 (the elastic clause) expansion of federal powers. But I do know this:

In Federalist# 1 he wrote: "a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of people, than under the forbidding appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of Republics the greatest number have begun their career by paying obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants!"

The more money and responsibility for our lives we give to government the less freedom we have.

 

[ROSWELL41]

I just can't understand how Obama asserts that a college education and healthcare are 'rights'. Access to the above should be a right, but getting them for free is certainly not a right. Think about who will be paying for these things when you go vote.

 

[uba757]

Roswell you are right, I rather my money go to fighting more and more unnecessary wars. A College Education and Health Care are not what I pay taxes for, I like the fact that I can subsidise the next President who decides to take out another world leader with lies and innuendos. By the way before you accuse me of being unpatriotic and everything else, I did agree that invading Afghanistan was the right idea, fighting 2 wars at the same time, kind of stupid. uba757

 

[SaturnPilot]

Think about who will be paying for these things when you go vote.

oh I'll be thinking about that...and the fact that I would actually like to have a job that isn't outsourced to cheaper labor, or raped by a hostile NMB (if that would even exist in a McCain administration). Out of those two, I'm going to vote my job. But if you would like to use your vote to make sure that Obama doesn't slightly raise taxes on the richest of the rich, then be my guest.

 

[pipe]

Guys, come on. Yip is management at USA Jet for pete's sake. This is like yelling at a homeless man in D.C. about everything that's wrong in Washington. Yeah, he's "technically" in D.C. but..........

PIPE

 

[UALjan15]

I just can't understand how Obama asserts that a college education and healthcare are 'rights'. Access to the above should be a right, but getting them for free is certainly not a right. Think about who will be paying for these things when you go vote.

Hey, nothing is free. You pay one way or another. Right now we pay for healthcare in a number of ways: medicare taxes, personal outlay for uncovered stuff and copays, and in a very real sense, you pay for it in wages because it costs your company so much to purchase it for you. What we should be concentrating on is efficiency! How much of your total health care dollar actually goes for the actual care? Right now only not even 70%. The rest goes to keep the insurance companies fat and to support their bloated bureaucracy (whose prime purpose is to figure out ways to deny coverage and save money for the mother ship). If this sounds good to you, then go ahead and vote for the status quo.

What should really have you worried is the trend over the past 15 years. Your company's costs to cover you have skyrocketed, as have your own costs, but you're getting less now than you did then. There is no indication of this trend reversing unless the govt gets involved. The market is not correcting this. Add to this the boomer generation reaching the age when their care becomes more expensive, and we have the makings of a real system meltdown.