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[madjack]

March 2013 AT 737 Capt ($168.16 hr)
88.5 credit hours
15 days off (31 day month)
Take home: $ 9,445.72

August 2013 SWA 737 FO ($132.50 hr)
99.95 TFP
17 Days off (31 day month)
Take home: $ 8,735.35


Take out the $400.00 health care/mo savings and its pretty much a wash...

 

[vixin]

Use the rates prior to purchase and you come out ahead as a SWA FO. Oh the humanity.

 

[SWA/FO]

Some of the former AT guys are having a hell of a time flying our -300s. Poor dudes.

 

[Kharma Police]

Some of the former AT guys are having a hell of a time flying our -300s. Poor dudes.

Thankfully, you guys can take the controls from us at any time (including below 300') and save the day.

 

[Ty Webb]

March 2013 AT 737 Capt ($168.16 hr)
88.5 credit hours
15 days off (31 day month)
Take home: $ 9,445.72

August 2013 SWA 737 FO ($132.50 hr)
99.95 TFP
17 Days off (31 day month)
Take home: $ 8,735.35


Take out the $400.00 health care/mo savings and its pretty much a wash...

Our health insurance is about the same cost as yours.... And it's better coverage.... And if you read his post again, he already factored that in... That's what "take-home pay" means.

 

[Ty Webb]

Use the rates prior to purchase and you come out ahead as a SWA FO. Oh the humanity.

If you want to use 2001 rates, let's see 'em. ..

Your 2001 contract paid what, again?

 

[K-Mart]

Thankfully, you guys can take the controls from us at any time (including below 300') and save the day.

Hahaha! Of course that might be a 700.

 

[Ty Webb]

Some of the former AT guys are having a hell of a time flying our -300s. Poor dudes.

I'm sure it's a breeze compared to our DC9's, which had no FMS, no HSI, and no HUD. Throw in an MEL'd cabin pressurization controller, and you'd be begging for a 300.

 

[Malcolm]

Some of the former AT guys are having a hell of a time flying our -300s. Poor dudes.

Do you REALLY want to trot out Pilot Flying skills?

Really? I ask... because it appears you have some Pilots that have had issues flying BOTH -300's and -700's.

I can certainly post links to 2 SWA accidents in which Pilot ERROR was specifically listed in the VERY FIRST sentence of the Probable Cause of BOTH accidents. I can also post links the a most recent accident of a -700 in which the aircraft landed NOSE FIRST after the CA took control at a very low altitude.

There but for the grace of god go I... and all of us. These accidents PROVE NOTHING about the flying skils of an entire Pilot group.... period. I bring it up to simply offset your comment about AirTran Pilots... regardless how you may try to "spin" what you posted. Believe me... we all know exactly what your intent was.

Seriously.... hands down..... SWA is an INCREDIBLY safe airline with very GOOD Pilots of all skillsets. By the same token.... the same can be said of AirTran Pilots.

AirTran has been a 100% glass cockpit carrier since 2002. For over 11 years most Pilots have been flying glass... and many have been flying left seat in a different airplane. Even with that said.... I am willing to BET that the learning curve between the AirTran Transition Pilots and ANY SWA new hire of similar transition is pretty close to the same metric.

As far as AirTran Pilots getting used to the -300 on the line, I absolutely would expect that to be the case. So.... why not just help them along in their first few months flying the -300.... and try to keep your ego in check rather than find yet "ANOTHER" something to rile all the AirTran haters and disparage the AirTran Pilots anonymously online.

Some of you people here need to have your medicals revoked for psychological issues. All of this name calling disparaging arguing and anonymous hatred is not "normal" emotional maturity....

 

[madjack]

Uh Malcom, the SWA guys are defending themselves, take Ty's BS response:

"Our health insurance is about the same cost as yours.... And it's better coverage.... And if you read his post again, he already factored that in... That's what "take-home pay" means."

http://forums.flightinfo.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2429914Of course the health insurance is better at AAI, everything is right? Hey a former FAT told me the monthly deductible was $400+ for Health Ins and at SWA it's half that...SWA folks on here are responding to the BS put out by the AAI mob...and it is true a 717 guy has to adjust to the 737 energy management

 

[Malcolm]

Uh Malcom, the SWA guys are defending themselves, take Ty's BS response:

"Our health insurance is about the same cost as yours.... And it's better coverage.... And if you read his post again, he already factored that in... That's what "take-home pay" means."

Of course the health insurance is better at AAI, everything is right? Hey a former FAT told me the monthly deductible was $400+ for Health Ins and at SWA it's half that...SWA folks on here are responding to the BS put out by the AAI mob...and it is true a 717 guy has to adjust to the 737 energy management

There is absolutely NOTHING to "argue".

First... why are you "Professionals" arguing about anything?

Second.... You all are comparing AirTran CAPTAIN pay to SWA FIRST OFFICER Pay. That fact that you can even attempt to make that "comparison" alone settles that debate. Next?

My post was in regards to ANY SWA Pilot that wants to post anything about Former AirTran Pilot flying skills... -300 or not. Posting that garbage online will fly right back and bite you in the @ss and accomplishes nothing.

For the love of it all.... please stop with this stuff. Go outside, get laid....

For gods sake find out how/why you feel it is appropriate to fight anonymously online about EVERYTING and disparage each other for 3 SOLID years since the announcement of the acquisition. You all work for the same company now and do the SAME JOB.... with MY family in the back.

 

[madjack]

"For gods sake find out how/why you feel it is appropriate to fight anonymously online about EVERYTING and disparage each other for 3 SOLID years since the announcement of the acquisition. You all work for the same company now and do the SAME JOB."

Agree 100%, and it is damn good job and we are all lucky to have one at SWA...

 

[Ty Webb]

Uh Malcom, the SWA guys are defending themselves, take Ty's BS response:

"Our health insurance is about the same cost as yours.... And it's better coverage.... And if you read his post again, he already factored that in... That's what "take-home pay" means."

http://forums.flightinfo.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2429914Of course the health insurance is better at AAI, everything is right? Hey a former FAT told me the monthly deductible was $400+ for Health Ins and at SWA it's half that..t

That guy must have some family members with some special needs, and opted for the most expensive, non-HMO plan.

I just looked at my 9-25-13 paystub. Family of four, mid-level HMO, $110.50 per pay period.

 

[Ty Webb]

Use the rates prior to purchase and you come out ahead as a SWA FO. Oh the humanity.

Since you want to keep bringing up our 2001 Contract rates, I am looking for yours. Apples to apples, and all . . . . . .

Your 2001 FO rates were not very impressive. Anyone have the CA rates?

FIRST OFFICER
Year in
Service
9/1/94 9/1/99 9/1/00 9/1/01 9/1/02 9/1/03 9/1/04
1 $30.11 $31.01 $31.94 $32.90 $33.89 $34.91 $36.65
2 $50.80 $52.32 $53.89 $55.51 $57.18 $58.89 $61.84
3 $56.56 $58.25 $60.00 $61.80 $63.65 $65.56 $68.84
4 $62.44 $64.31 $66.24 $68.23 $70.27 $72.38 $76.00
5 $68.39 $70.44 $72.55 $74.73 $76.97 $79.28 $83.24
6 $70.31 $72.42 $74.59 $76.83 $79.13 $81.51 $85.58
7 $71.12 $73.25 $75.45 $77.71 $80.04 $82.44 $86.56
8 $71.93 $74.08 $76.31 $78.60 $80.95 $83.38 $87.55
9 $72.75 $74.93 $77.18 $79.49 $81.88 $84.33 $88.55
10 $73.55 $75.76 $78.03 $80.37 $82.78 $85.27 $89.53
11 $74.36 $76.59 $78.89 $81.26 $83.70 $86.21 $90.52
12 $75.17 $77.43 $79.75 $82.14 $84.61 $87.15 $91.50

 

[Dash Power]

How about we keep this honest and use the rates on the date of the purchase.

Or why don't we use your 1992 rates compared to ours.

 

[Ty Webb]

How about we keep this honest and use the rates on the date of the purchase.

Or why don't we use your 1992 rates compared to ours.

You guys are the ones who keep bringing up our 2001 Contract rates, which would be 12 years old now.

Here are yours, for comparison.

Wow. When you convert yours for TFP, it looks like our 12th year pay was almost exactly the same as yours . . . ours was $152./hr.

Oh, the humanity, indeed.


9/1/2001 9/1/2002 9/1/2003 9/1/2004



Yr 1 $109.68 $112.97 $116.36 $122.17
Yr 2 $111.02 $114.35 $117.78 $123.67
Yr 3 $112.37 $115.74 $119.21 $125.17
Yr 4 $113.71 $117.12 $120.63 $126.67
Yr 5 $114.97 $118.41 $121.97 $128.07
Yr 6 $116.41 $119.90 $123.50 $129.67
Yr 7 $117.74 $121.27 $124.91 $131.16
Yr 8 $119.09 $122.66 $126.34 $132.65
Yr 9 $120.44 $124.05 $127.78 $134.16
Yr 10 $121.77 $125.43 $129.19 $135.65
Yr 11 $123.12 $126.81 $130.62 $137.15
Yr 12 $124.46 $128.20 $132.04 $138.64

 

[Dash Power]

David,

You have a comprehension problem.

 

[Ty Webb]

Cowardly response . . . about what I expected.

 

[Dash Power]

Cowardly response . . . about what I expected.

Yeah well go ******************** yourself David.

 

[CaptAntoineMack]

Cowardly response . . . about what I expected.

What a ******************************.

What are you.....stupid???

If I were just an Oscar-MEYER weiner.......

What do you say Dave??

 

[Ty Webb]

I'd say, "You'd better read your employee handbook". . . Unless you're senior to me.

 

[waveflyer]

I'd agree and say NO OUTING PEOPLE's REAL IDENTITY ON FI.
No hinting. No nothing- until they do. And then it's up to them to bring it up again-

I learned a common sense hard lesson doing that w/ PCL- thought it was common knowledge so I could post whatever I wanted about him and I rightfully got smacked down by just about everybody-

 

[waveflyer]

To your point Ty- equal job eh? What was your profit sharing in 2001?

You sound like general lee quibbling about SWA rates when financially there's been no time pilots at SWA weren't doing really well-
When profit sharing tapered off bc the airline couldn't double every few years til infinity- pay increased-

You are outside of your mind still trying to compare the two places to work- you piss on it, but you don't know anything at all about SWA except that they wouldn't let you guys play games and manipulate and delay the SLI process- maybe your problem with SWA is you-

To the 12,000 who just updated apps during this hiring window for 200 jobs- they think you're retarded too

 

[tankerhead]

Yeah well go ******************** yourself David.

Having trouble keeping your inner d-bag from showing itself, huh? You too, snoop-dog.

 

[Kharma Police]

Yeah well go ******************** yourself David.

What a schmuck, I'm sure we can find out your name too by looking at the "captain do-not fly list".

 

[madjack]

Well you might still be operating under your older rates if an offer of purchase had not come along...that is the point...our contract improvements had nothing to do with AAI...yours may have had everything to do with the SWA purchase...

 

[intooclose]

You guys are the ones who keep bringing up our 2001 Contract rates, which would be 12 years old now.

Here are yours, for comparison.

Wow. When you convert yours for TFP, it looks like our 12th year pay was almost exactly the same as yours . . . ours was $152./hr.

Oh, the humanity, indeed.


9/1/2001 9/1/2002 9/1/2003 9/1/2004



Yr 1 $109.68 $112.97 $116.36 $122.17
Yr 2 $111.02 $114.35 $117.78 $123.67
Yr 3 $112.37 $115.74 $119.21 $125.17
Yr 4 $113.71 $117.12 $120.63 $126.67
Yr 5 $114.97 $118.41 $121.97 $128.07
Yr 6 $116.41 $119.90 $123.50 $129.67
Yr 7 $117.74 $121.27 $124.91 $131.16
Yr 8 $119.09 $122.66 $126.34 $132.65
Yr 9 $120.44 $124.05 $127.78 $134.16
Yr 10 $121.77 $125.43 $129.19 $135.65
Yr 11 $123.12 $126.81 $130.62 $137.15
Yr 12 $124.46 $128.20 $132.04 $138.64

Your revisionist history is laughable. So....you are saying when I was making 60K as a 3rd year FO that it was the same as the guys at Southwest? That is not even taking into account the risk adjustment that should be made for working for a company that furloughed 3 times in 15 years.....and according to the Wall Street Journal article on the subject, was 36 hours away from declaring bankruptcy in 2008. Ty....stop talking. You are making all of us look bad.

 

[Ty Webb]

Well you might still be operating under your older rates if an offer of purchase had not come along...that is the point...our contract improvements had nothing to do with AAI...yours may have had everything to do with the SWA purchase...

This has been said many times- apparently, you just don;t want to hear it, but we had already rejected the NEW pay rates previously. We were holding out for better pay rates than what we settled for after the merger announcement.

I know this doesn't fit in with what you want to believe, but that's the fact, Jack.

 

[humveedriver]

and according to the Wall Street Journal article on the subject, was 36 hours away from declaring bankruptcy in 2008.

Can you cut and pasted that article? I would like to read it. When Frontier ran into the credit card hold back problems our stock plummeted because everyone thought we were next. Is that the 36 hours from bankruptcy?
It was a wake up call and Fornaro said we needed to have 800 mil in the bank for a cushion to avoid any future problems. Which we did.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/948846/000119312508080641/dex991.htm

 

[Ty Webb]

Your revisionist history is laughable. So....you are saying when I was making 60K as a 3rd year FO that it was the same as the guys at Southwest? That is not even taking into account the risk adjustment that should be made for working for a company that furloughed 3 times in 15 years.....and according to the Wall Street Journal article on the subject, was 36 hours away from declaring bankruptcy in 2008. Ty....stop talking. You are making all of us look bad.

There are a few SWA guys on here that keep referring back to our 2001 Contract rates, that became amenable in 2005.

I posted the SWA payrates from the same time period, so that we could compare.

I don't make the news, I just report it.

Speaking of which, let's hear about the three furloughs. There's been one in 15 years that I'm aware of. If you want to count the shutdown of the airline in 1996 following the Valujet crash, well, it seems like a cheap shot (and it was 17 years ago) but go ahead. Let's hear about this mysterious third "furlough".