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[(o) (o)]

Does Jalways type first officers in intial training?
Thanks

If they did, it'll be on their Japanese license, which wouldn't do you much good here in the U.S.

I met a guy who actually converted his B747-400 ratings from his Hong Kong License (Cathay Pacific) to his FAA one. It said "B747-400" except on the limitation section it said "B747-400 operation under VFR only".

 

[Resocha]

One more thing, just out of curiousity, why do they hire westerners to begin with?

Plus, JAL captains make about $400,000/yr. and the Western captains make a measely $200,000/yr. We're the cheap labor.

 

[Resocha]

If they did, it'll be on their Japanese license, which wouldn't do you much good here in the U.S.

Negative, Ghost Rider. You're initial training is at the United Training Center in Denver. You are typed on both your FAA and JCAB certificates, with no limitations.

 

[(o) (o)]

So what is the deal with the "six months in tokyo" part? What do they do there? train to eat sushi?

 

[(o) (o)]

Plus, JAL captains make about $400,000/yr. and the Western captains make a measely $200,000/yr. We're the cheap labor.

They kinda need to make 400K a year to be able to afford $20 cups of coffee in Tokyo..

Seriously, Any animosity towards to the "lower paid" guys by the Japanese pilots? Do they look at you guys as a way of their company outsourcing to lower paid foreign pilots??

 

[Helmsmen]

yes they

 

[Helmsmen]

yes they do

 

[(o) (o)]

yes they do

Kinda hard for them not to....

Imagine UAL hiring Argentinians to fly their -400s for half the pay. There'll be a war.

 

[Bigbeerbelly]

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[(o) (o)]

Getting back to the old topic, why is JAL typing guys on the FAA ticket? Is that a requirement to fly their planes or they just being nice and give a type ratings out to people as a gift?

 

[Helmsmen]

Actually my "yes they do" comment was about the type rating question. As for animosity, not really. The Japanese fully understand the predicament that they are in concerning their Captain shortage. I have never, repeat never, had a Japanese pilot be rude to me. Just would not happen in Japan, its a cultural thing.

As for the type rating it is initially administered in Denver on your FAA ticket. The FAA rating is then converted to a JCAB commercial type rating and you go to school in Japan for the JCAB ATP rating and ticket. The total training is about 6 weeks in Denver and about 3 months in Japan. There are several breaks throughout and lots of chances to eat Sushi and drink overpriced coffee. Not to mention drinking beer and chasing an asian social agenda.

Interviewing started yesterday and so far is going well. Good luck to the 72 guys that are interviewing this month.

Regards;

Helmsmen

 

[(o) (o)]

Helmsmen,

I appreciate the detailed answer.

good luck to everyone!

 

[Solo]

Jalways

Helmsman,

How many F/O slots are Jalways looking to fill out of 72 ?

Solo

 

[Helmsmen]

8 for a class in May and another 8 for a class later in the year, not sure when. I realise that in comparison to most interviewees to openings this seems like a bunch but the simulator check is very difficult and the medical weeds out a bunch as well.

Helmsmen

 

[Resocha]

So what is the deal with the "six months in tokyo" part? What do they do there? train to eat sushi?

By Western standards the training is extremely inefficient. But JALways is dealing with JAL's "we've always done it this way" mentality and the Japanese government requirements. For example, you take two classes and two tests for your radiotelephone operators permit: radio law and radio engineering. You learn all about not only propogation of various waves, but you also learn the rules of how you open a radio station in Japan. You have to take a JCAB-administered Aviation Law exam that happens only three times per year. And of course, scattered throughout the government stuff is the stuff pilots really care about, such as systems, CPT, and sim. There are changes, but it is slow. The original guys used to train in Tokyo for about a year, now it's down to three months for the next class. I had a great time in Tokyo. It's a great experience if you want it to be.