Looking for JALways/WASINC info

[Helmsmen]

New hires at all three contract companies are at 50 hour guarentee. WASINC pilots are paid 14.8% less salary. WASINC then places the 14.8% in a DAP retirement plan that is administered by Merrill Lynch. IASCO pays all the money upfront and leaves retirement planning up to the individual pilot. The WASINC method has some positive tax implications as that 14.8% is tax deferred. However you are not vested in the full amount until you complete 3 years from date of hire. The IASCO method can be a positive for pilots that are planning for retirement through Real Estate investment as it gives you more borrowing ability. WASINC also offers a 401K style retirement account that you can contribute up to the IRS maximum each year.

Most importantly if you are trying to decide which company to go with is that WASINC is interviewing in March and IASCO not until late spring, early summer. The next class is slated to be in May and will be comprised of the pilots who interview in March.

 

[Take A]

How are ther layovers? Are the hotels nice? I hear the Asian ones aren't that nice.

What is the hourly pay rate for F/O's?

Do many people stay at JALways or do they go to the legacy carriers?

Pilots who have line numbers at major airlines, do they resign and stay at JAL?

Just trying to figure out if this is a good place to stay, but I guess you would have to experience it first hand.

 

[Resocha]

How are ther layovers? Are the hotels nice? I hear the Asian ones aren't that nice.

What is the hourly pay rate for F/O's?

Do many people stay at JALways or do they go to the legacy carriers?

Pilots who have line numbers at major airlines, do they resign and stay at JAL?

Just trying to figure out if this is a good place to stay, but I guess you would have to experience it first hand.

Layovers are awesome, overall. Hotels like the Nikko in NRT are nice, but it's way outside of Tokyo, although downtown Narita is cool. Osaka is very nice, but you stay at Kansai. Nagoya is OK, but it's right downtown. Brisbane is a suit on the waterfront. Sydney is OK, and just a 10-minute train ride to The Rocks. Manila sucks anywhere. The old Bangkok hotel was a hole, but JAL does that route now.

The FO hourly rate starts at $95/hour up to 65 hours. Over 65 hours is paid at $114/hour.

People usually only leave JALways (after all, it's part of a "legacy" carrier) if they have a seniority number and get recalled back in the states. The upgrades here are so short, it seems that most guys stay and take the upgrade to 747 CA, versus returning to MD80 FO back in the states.

It's a great place to stay, considering what else is out there. Where are you working now?

 

[DetoXJ]

How do you apply? Thanks

 

[Resocha]

How do you apply? Thanks

www.wasinc.net
www.iasco.com
www.hawaii-aviation.com

 

[DetoXJ]

Thanks for the info Resocha. Are you guys able to jumpseat or ID95/90 on anyone? Just trying to see if I might be able to commute home once in a while Thanks again for the info.

 

[Resocha]

Thanks for the info Resocha. Are you guys able to jumpseat or ID95/90 on anyone? Just trying to see if I might be able to commute home once in a while Thanks again for the info.

No problem.

The IASCO guys can officially jumpseat because IASCO has a 135 certificate. WASINC has jumpseat privileges with Aloha and Hawaiian (and maybe ATA). I'm not sure about HACS. There are loads of ID-90s, as well as ZED fares.

 

[stage]

What is Captain's pay like? How many years until the top of the Captain scale?

 

[Polaris]

Also, What happens if you don't fulfill the 3 year contract? Say your recalled by your previous employer?

 

[Resocha]

What is Captain's pay like? How many years until the top of the Captain scale?

I can't remember and will have to look it up. I'll get back.

 

[Resocha]

Also, What happens if you don't fulfill the 3 year contract? Say your recalled by your previous employer?

Wasinc will require you to resign your seniority number, so unless you have a "recension of resignation" clause with your company (as I did), you won't get recalled. If you don't fulfill your contract, there's a $30,000 fee, and you will be publicly shamed.

 

[Fly4hire]

Instead of trying to choose one, I recommend interviewing at each and accepting employment at whichever offers the job first. You can always switch after your contract has been fulfilled.

I heard if you interview with one and are selected the others will not talk to you because JALways already knows who you are and will not allow poaching between contract vendors. Also understand if you fail to select at one you will not get another chance with the others because JALways knows who you are at that point.

I think the advatage to HACS and IASCO is they service contracts to more than one carrier.

 

[Fly4hire]

Wasinc will require you to resign your seniority number, so unless you have a "recension of resignation" clause with your company (as I did), you won't get recalled. If you don't fulfill your contract, there's a $30,000 fee, and you will be publicly shamed.

I asked about this and was told there is no training bond (at any of the leasing firms) , and you are not required to resign seniority, although it is viewed as a plus to getting hired.

I have also heard there is a strong bias against older candidates (40+) getting hired?

 

[Resocha]

I heard if you interview with one and are selected the others will not talk to you because JALways already knows who you are and will not allow poaching between contract vendors. Also understand if you fail to select at one you will not get another chance with the others because JALways knows who you are at that point.

I think the advatage to HACS and IASCO is they service contracts to more than one carrier.

JAL, as a company, allows only one interview opportunity. If you don't make it at one contractor, you will not be given an opportunity at another.

I'm not sure what you mean about your first statement. If you fulfill your contract at one employer, you are eligible to change contractors. It happens occasionally. If you break your contract, I'd bet that no one else would hire you, but that's only speculation.

 

[Resocha]

I asked about this and was told there is no training bond (at any of the leasing firms) , and you are not required to resign seniority, although it is viewed as a plus to getting hired.

I have also heard there is a strong bias against older candidates (40+) getting hired?

Who did you ask? I guarantee there is a training bond (at least at wasinc). And yes, with wasinc you will sign a form that resigns your seniority number. It is mailed to your former company the day you complete training for JAL. I don't think they required it in the past, but some guys broke their contract to return to their former companies, so now it's required.

Regarding the 40-year-old bias, I've seen that on aviationinterviews.com and it's just nonsense. I personally know 4 guys hired over 40, one in the more recent new-hire classes.