Looking for JALways/WASINC info

[(o) (o)]

Curious what the pay is working for those guys?

 

[dojetdriver]

Curious what the pay is working for those guys?

Fill out the the online apps. They will send you the contact terms and pay rates. It's as simple as that. Just because they send you the app doesn't mean you want to go to work there. What's the worst that can happen, they call you for interview?

 

[Resocha]

Upgrade to captain in 3 years? I thought at the 3-year mark, your contract expires and you go looking for another job, no?

Where did you learn this nonsense? We have guys here who have been here since JAL began hiring Westerners 15 years ago. The upgrade time is three years, with some who have upgraded in two. That might be extended to four years, but no one is complaining.

 

[Resocha]

if they are downsizing or getting rid of a fleet type, like the DC-10's they shedded, it's sorry guys, no more planes for you to fly, bye bye.

That's also not entirely true. The DC-10 pilots moved to the 747, but the FEs were let go.

 

[Resocha]

Curious what the pay is working for those guys?

Start is $95/hour, but the job is not for everyone. Like dojetdriver wrote, go to www.wasinc.net and get the details.

 

[dojetdriver]

That's also not entirely true. The DC-10 pilots moved to the 747, but the FEs were let go.

I see, sorry. I thought they let them all go, not just the FE's.

 

[(o) (o)]

Where did you learn this nonsense? We have guys here who have been here since JAL began hiring Westerners 15 years ago. The upgrade time is three years, with some who have upgraded in two. That might be extended to four years, but no one is complaining.

I learned that "nonsense" from the term "contract" that is attached to that job.

I hope you weren't offended by the question. It was not meant to.

One more thing, just out of curiousity, why do they hire westerners to begin with?

Aren't japanese people really proud?

Again, this is not meant to stir the pot, I am trying to know more about Jal and their pay.

Thanks!

 

[(o) (o)]

Fill out the the online apps. They will send you the contact terms and pay rates. It's as simple as that. Just because they send you the app doesn't mean you want to go to work there. What's the worst that can happen, they call you for interview?

dojet, thanks for that. But I am not looking for a job. Just trying to see what's it is all about since I hear about people interviewing with them left and right.

good luck!

 

[Helmsmen]

JALways hires westerners because they cannot upgrade their own pilots to Captain positions fast enough. It takes roughly 10 years for a Japanese Cadet to go from the street to the left seat. They are facing a CRITICAL shortage of Captains in the next 5/7 years. To the point of not being able to fly their current schedule, much less any expansion that may be considered. Just to many retirements. A western pilot can be brought up to speed and delivered into the left seat in 2/3 years for less money in both training and pay.

Helmsmen

 

[cole]

Does Jalways type first officers in intial training?
Thanks

 

[(o) (o)]

Does Jalways type first officers in intial training?
Thanks

If they did, it'll be on their Japanese license, which wouldn't do you much good here in the U.S.

I met a guy who actually converted his B747-400 ratings from his Hong Kong License (Cathay Pacific) to his FAA one. It said "B747-400" except on the limitation section it said "B747-400 operation under VFR only".

 

[Resocha]

One more thing, just out of curiousity, why do they hire westerners to begin with?

Plus, JAL captains make about $400,000/yr. and the Western captains make a measely $200,000/yr. We're the cheap labor.

 

[Resocha]

If they did, it'll be on their Japanese license, which wouldn't do you much good here in the U.S.

Negative, Ghost Rider. You're initial training is at the United Training Center in Denver. You are typed on both your FAA and JCAB certificates, with no limitations.

 

[(o) (o)]

So what is the deal with the "six months in tokyo" part? What do they do there? train to eat sushi?

 

[(o) (o)]

Plus, JAL captains make about $400,000/yr. and the Western captains make a measely $200,000/yr. We're the cheap labor.

They kinda need to make 400K a year to be able to afford $20 cups of coffee in Tokyo..

Seriously, Any animosity towards to the "lower paid" guys by the Japanese pilots? Do they look at you guys as a way of their company outsourcing to lower paid foreign pilots??

 

[Helmsmen]

yes they

 

[Helmsmen]

yes they do

 

[(o) (o)]

yes they do

Kinda hard for them not to....

Imagine UAL hiring Argentinians to fly their -400s for half the pay. There'll be a war.

 

[Bigbeerbelly]

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[(o) (o)]

Getting back to the old topic, why is JAL typing guys on the FAA ticket? Is that a requirement to fly their planes or they just being nice and give a type ratings out to people as a gift?