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[HighSpeedClimb]

Who cares where you fly or what equipment. At the end of the day it's about payday and retirement. Of course quality of life and manipulating your schedule and picking up trips and dropping trips is pretty sweet. Have never had the opportunities I have now.
Btw flying international is not only easy but very boring. To act like only the heavies have any idea how to do it shows you'alls life on an island and arrogance. I flew in Hawaii for 19 years and know that times will change as will your airline. Embrace it and enjoy what you brag about now cause who knows what the future will bring. Funny thing is it's completely out of the pilots (employees hands). Now go out and enjoy your Families or Ohana and enjoy the day.
Mahalo.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Wow, "who let the Hawiian's out"? I thought you guys were all about hangin loose and stuff. Now you guys are sounding like the General with his SWA bashing and talking about his international layovers. Guess what, none of us have a say if this would ever happen or not. So go catch a wave and relax bro!!!

 

[Dan Roman]

Yes, you guys do get very defensive. Don't slam Southwest and not expect a retort.
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Just to be clear, this all started because of some, very frankly, arrogant comments about SWA "buying" Hawaiian. In others words, some of you guys thinks it would be just fine to destroy a great career and replace it with a lessor job. That's the perception and why you are getting slammed in retaliation. Again, nothing personal. The question was also posed about merging with DAL vs SWA.....clearly a DAL merger would create an airline with much greater opportunities that match our flying. SWA and HA would just create a little wannabe legacy with mainland LCC route structure paired up with a relatively small International hub in HNL. Hardly much to aspire too. Plus SWA doesn't "merge" they acquire. Putting us in that perspective is a huge insult.

 

[Dan Roman]

Who cares where you fly or what equipment. At the end of the day it's about payday and retirement. Of course quality of life and manipulating your schedule and picking up trips and dropping trips is pretty sweet. Have never had the opportunities I have now.
Btw flying international is not only easy but very boring. To act like only the heavies have any idea how to do it shows you'alls life on an island and arrogance. I flew in Hawaii for 19 years and know that times will change as will your airline. Embrace it and enjoy what you brag about now cause who knows what the future will bring. Funny thing is it's completely out of the pilots (employees hands). Now go out and enjoy your Families or Ohana and enjoy the day.
Mahalo.

Which means you know a lot of pilots currently flying for Hawaiian....yet you posted on here that you hope DAL buys us and staples us. That says a lot about your character.

 

[808pilot]

wow... how often do you see anything pop up about hawaiian? on this site no less? everyone on this bizarre website would defend the company they work for... so because we are out on some islands, working for a small company that has been around for over 80 years now, we are not allowed to become a little more vocal in defending ourselves against the masses?
highspeed... you're right... we don't care what equipment others fly because its not what we fly... we care about our company... so if someone starts making these lame ass claims that we are gonna get bought out and stapled(classy by the way), don't be so surprised when we decide to defend ourselves...
i've got a few really good friends that fly for southwest and thank god because otherwise my view of SW would be pretty dim... in fact everyone i've ever met from SW has been pretty cool... why this website brings out your arrogance is beyond me... call us arrogant if you want but it's pride that we have... pride that we are a small company flying to some great places... we are all well aware that things could change tomorrow and that as pilots we have no control but we are gonna continue to enjoy our lifestyle not having to deal with all your mainland BS...
rant over...
ran out of brown water...

808

p.s.
arguing with people online is like playing chess with pidgeons... no matter how good you are the bird is going to $h.. on the board and strut around like it won anyway... (perfect definition of FI)

 

[Dan Roman]

Well they're not directed at you are they? For the most part you are not as insulting as your fellow HA pilots who are now posting here. If somebody wants to give it to me, well then I'll just give it right back. That's one of the problems with Hawaii, you don't have hockey. You would understand that the one who gets the penalty isn't always the one who instigated it.

Sounds like you are a hockey fan? You'll appreciate this, can't mention names but we have a pilot here that formally was an NHL player. Was mostly with Pittsburgh, he led the league in penalty minutes (if you google him you tube has about dozen fights with him in it) yet is as nice and mellow of a guy as you would want to know. He also played for the LA Kings with Gretzky.

 

[Dan Roman]

Wow, "who let the Hawiian's out"? I thought you guys were all about hangin loose and stuff. Now you guys are sounding like the General with his SWA bashing and talking about his international layovers. Guess what, none of us have a say if this would ever happen or not. So go catch a wave and relax bro!!!

As 808 said , how often do you see something about HA on here? Yet you are SWA guy indicating we are going off too much, on FI. The board that primarily has SWA pontificating on their airline.....Is only SWA allowed to?
Personally I'm enjoying it and not in the least wound up about it. We won the debate, and not single decent rebuttal that counters our argument!
Btw the way as a matter of fact, I did go " catch a wave" after weeks of crappy north winds we had an epic day yesterday of south easterly winds and great surf. Got it coming home from my PDX layover were I had a great snowboard session at Timberline!( you can just call me General Dan now )

 

[HA25]

Sounds like you are a hockey fan? You'll appreciate this, can't mention names but we have a pilot here that formally was an NHL player. Was mostly with Pittsburgh, he led the league in penalty minutes (if you google him you tube has about dozen fights with him in it) yet is as nice and mellow of a guy as you would want to know. He also played for the LA Kings with Gretzky.

I also flew with an IRO couple of days ago who spent two years in the NHL in the late 80's... who tells me there's even a 3rd former NHL guy with us.

 

[BentOver]

It's funny, they (SWA guys) keep coming back here to argue their points.. On a thread titled "Hawaiian A320 pay rates"

Which originally had nothing to do with SWA...

Now who's fault was that... I sense a pattern with SWA guys (on this forum), who like to argue... or start discussions that lead to arguements when the discussion doesn't go their way or not everyone agrees with them.

 

[FlyinGuy]

You won what debate? I simply said that SWA would want to purchase a long haul international dept over creating one. Oh, I also said that none of us would be asked our opinion if managers decide to pull the trigger on this deal. So congrats on your victorious debate!?

 

[Dan Roman]

You won what debate? I simply said that SWA would want to purchase a long haul international dept over creating one. Oh, I also said that none of us would be asked our opinion if managers decide to pull the trigger on this deal. So congrats on your victorious debate!?

You are correct that we are all pawns and at the mercy of management decesions. It seems SWA changed from taking care of it's employees and created new jobs in favor of corporate growth when they bought AirTran.

I'm just pointing out the fact that, not you or me per se, but the whole string makes a clear case of how unmatched the 2 airlines are. Two completely different business models that actually don't connect very well. But if you think a relatively small AirBus hub in HNL is a good idea for SWA to "grow", well, than have at it. Not a single credible rebuttle to those facts has been posted on here by any SWA pilot other than..."well anything can happen"

 

[Dan Roman]

I also flew with an IRO couple of days ago who spent two years in the NHL in the late 80's... who tells me there's even a 3rd former NHL guy with us.

We'll need them if we ever merge with anyone!! :beer:

 

[Dan Roman]

FlynGuy, since the General's on the beach, someone has to do it......Let's say your management has in fact lost the plot, How would your pilots feel about being fenced out of the widebodies and inter-island flying? Obviously it would go to arbitration, and career expectations is the biggest factor, especially in a hostile takeover of a healthy company, so it's very realistic that all that flying in HNL would have a fence around it. So how would that feel?

 

[waveflyer]

You are correct that we are all pawns and at the mercy of management decesions. It seems SWA changed from taking care of it's employees and created new jobs in favor of corporate growth when they bought AirTran.

I'm just pointing out the fact that, not you or me per se, but the whole string makes a clear case of how unmatched the 2 airlines are. Two completely different business models that actually don't connect very well. But if you think a relatively small AirBus hub in HNL is a good idea for SWA to "grow", well, than have at it. Not a single credible rebuttle to those facts has been posted on here by any SWA pilot other than..."well anything can happen"

How can it be rebutted? It's just your opinion. And not such a compelling one that it negates a possible scenario. Are you saying you don't give SWA even a remote possibility of buying you? I say 1/3 chance.
You seem to be hoping its 1%. But it's just your hope.
The idea would be to springboard off your overseas expertise to grow a worldwide route structure. You do it and do it safely. That is our stated direction so why wouldn't we acquire some good knowledge/experience at what appears to be a good price. As for the type of airplanes...well, we bought an airline and got rid of 2/3's their airplanes and as annoying is that is for us on the SLI side of things, we'll be fine just a few short years later.

 

[FlyinGuy]

That would be fine by me. I am not trying to pick a fight or say that we (the pilots) are trying to piss on your parade. I am simply stating that SWA management has shown their cards. They no longer cherish the internal customer and organic growth. That is why I think HA is on their radar. Of all the airlines, you are a well run and INEXPENSIVE airline. Are we different? Absolutely. That's probably one of the main reasons why they won't pull the trigger. So, to wrap up......

You guys have a great thing going and I am happy for you. I hope SWA never merges, buys, acquires, or whatever again. I think it sucks for all seniority structured employee groups because we always take it in the shorts for the managers. So Dan and all your fellow HA bros....go catch a big one and don't work to hard!!