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[Dan Roman]

And as far as all the petty SWA comments here because we don't want to merge with you. Nothing personal guys, we don't want to merge with anyone. But clearly a merger with DAL would create more opportunities and less conflict (good luck trying to rationalize 737 pilots from the mainland doing our International flying or Inter-Island flying in arbitration!). But the main reason is if SWA thought adding a relatively small International hub in Hnl along with a profitable inter island operation (that could not be operated by SWA's 737's profitably at the current fares) would be a good fit then they have totally lost the plot. A merger between HA and either SWA or AK would simply create a little wannabe legacy like USAir/Piedmont/PSA did. The odd man out of the airlines.

 

[canyonblue]

Like I said, Southwest is the ugly girl at the end of the bar after a long night of drinking... only looks good now since the rest of the industry's contracts were gutted ....

No you moron, it looks good because its always gone in one direction, UP. You probably think that HA has been a better stock than LUV, we've never stiffed our shareholders. Where do you guys get your aviation knowledge, a Luau?

 

[canyonblue]

And as far as all the petty SWA comments here because we don't want to merge with you. Nothing personal guys, we don't want to merge with anyone.

Don't worry, Southwest has no need to acquire your airline, I can't see how it would make any sense at all. We will be in Hawaii one day, on our own.

 

[Dan Roman]

Canyon, with all due respect, your posts are an example of an attitude that get's it's ass kicked over here. Hawaii is a great place, but it has little tolerance for the ignorant," do you get your info from a Luau? do you guys all live in grass shacks? " etc. mentality. The SWA corporate image on flightinfo.com is not something that would garner a whole lot of respect in Hawaii. You may fly here someday, however, HAL ordering all those NEO's may have put a damper on that.

 

[HA25]

No you moron, it looks good because its always gone in one direction, UP. You probably think that HA has been a better stock than LUV, we've never stiffed our shareholders. Where do you guys get your aviation knowledge, a Luau?

first sign of someone getting defensive... the ad hominem attacks begin.

I'll just say this... I have never wanted to work for Southwest, nor have I ever applied... not even after I was furloughed at AA... I didn't get into flying for a living to bounce between the same domestic city pairings over and over for 30 years... something it looks like you've been doing your entire career from what I looks like by your profile.. Should you ever start to cross the Ocean (and the East Pac is a joke compared to the rest of the world) .. it will be interesting to see how you handle the lack of radar coverage .. After all, wasn't it as a result of all the R-NAV departure fails you guys had in LAS that we're all now having to turn on our autopilots' at 500' when departing R-NAV?


I'm in Tokyo right now enjoying a company paid vacation and the culture of a great country... I was in Auckland last week and New York the week before.. something I'd have to do on my own time if I worked at Southwest... thanks but no thanks.

 

[BentOver]

Ahhh, General Lee is gone so I guess it's time to find something else to act like a bunch of defensive babies about....

Many of us have absolutely no interest in your airline... (never applied, never had planned to) We each have our own reasons.. Get over it... You guys were the darlings of the industry for a few years back after 9/11...Now your just becoming another disgruntled airline with long upgrades and a changing business model... it happens

 

[808pilot]

^^^^ what he said... we are happy why can't you be happy? you guys have it so great then who gives $h..? put on your big boy pants and just be proud you have a job with a good company...

 

[canyonblue]

first sign of someone getting defensive... the ad hominem attacks begin.

Yes, you guys do get very defensive. Don't slam Southwest and not expect a retort.

I'll just say this... I have never wanted to work for Southwest, nor have I ever applied... not even after I was furloughed at AA... I didn't get into flying for a living to bounce between the same domestic city pairings over and over for 30 years... something it looks like you've been doing your entire career from what I looks like by your profile.. Should you ever start to cross the Ocean (and the East Pac is a joke compared to the rest of the world) .. it will be interesting to see how you handle the lack of radar coverage ..

Do you understand that we have thousands of pilots that HAVE flown all over the world? We have many Ex-DAL, UAL, AA pilots here that have been more places than I can imagine. Also, thousands of Military pilots who have done the same.

After all, wasn't it as a result of all the R-NAV departure fails you guys had in LAS that we're all now having to turn on our autopilots' at 500' when departing R-NAV?

Funny that we don't have to turn our autopilots on at 500', nice idiotic rumor you've started. Once again a rumor without fact, but you say it anyway.

I'm in Tokyo right now enjoying a company paid vacation and the culture of a great country... I was in Auckland last week and New York the week before.. something I'd have to do on my own time if I worked at Southwest... thanks but no thanks.

Sorry you have to be away from home so much, the number one reason I applied to SWA (before 9/11 by the way) was for the days off. I have a family and a golf game that needs work, so no matter what airline I would end up at, the job description of sitting in a cockpit flying a plane would be the same everywhere. The only control I would have would be how many days I would have to give to the company, Southwest proved to be the least. I've been to Europe and Asia, and at this point in my life I enjoy being home the most. If any airline wants 12 days of my life a month, it better be worth it. Oh, and when I show up at work could I please get my flying in for the day in less than 9 hours, Thank You Southwest.

 

[canyonblue]

Canyon, with all due respect, your posts are an example of an attitude that get's it's ass kicked over here.

Well they're not directed at you are they? For the most part you are not as insulting as your fellow HA pilots who are now posting here. If somebody wants to give it to me, well then I'll just give it right back. That's one of the problems with Hawaii, you don't have hockey. You would understand that the one who gets the penalty isn't always the one who instigated it.

 

[waveflyer]

3 anonymous guys say something on the internet and you guys convince yourself we're pining for you??

HA guys are the one saying SWA's the ugly girl at the bar as if you're in a position to take any girl home.
Bottom line we have the option to buy you at any time. And that clearly scares you. I don't mind that you're happy with current things- I was before air tran too. Didn't change the decision GK made.

I still think it's a possibility and you guys just show your own insecurity when you puff out your chests on FI about it

If it happens - nothing on FI will affect the outcome- I know that

 

[BentOver]

Honestly, SWA buying us was never on my radar.. Nor with any one I've flown with.. It's usually Delta, AK, or possibly a merger with JB because of our NYC codeshare and common fleet types etc...

Many of us stated we think SWA is a good airline. You guys make good money and have many days off etc... However the type of flying, routes or whatever are not for many of us... You seem to understand that, the other SWA guys posting here seem to take that as an attack.. "How could everyone not want to work there?"

Sorry if not everyone thinks SWA is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I prefer overnighting 2 days in Brisbane or Incheon rather than hanging out in the hotel bar in Louisville..

 

[waveflyer]

Dude,
The Brown in Louisville has it all over Brisbane man

I get you, but bad example

Been a while since I sipped some bourbon in the haunted hotel

 

[BentOver]

Dude,
The Brown in Louisville has it all over Brisbane man

I get you, but bad example

Been a while since I sipped some bourbon in the haunted hotel

Been to the haunted Lousville place... Still gotta go with Brisbane:beer:

 

[HowardBorden]

first sign of someone getting defensive... the ad hominem attacks begin.

I believe you began the ad hominem attacks with the statement below! I did not attack in return but simply pointed out the inaccuracies of your statement.

The cats' out of the bag on the topic of who's a bottom feeder.... Hawaiian Pilots SET the bar, not lower it (sorta like SWA historically has done until after the 9/11 cuts made it look so good)..

Like I said, Southwest is the ugly girl at the end of the bar after a long night of drinking... only looks good now since the rest of the industry's contracts were gutted .... but we're building those back up now, so you could say "we're sobering up" ..

 

[HA25]

Ad hominem by definition is a personal attack on a "person" ... I had critical opinions on a company not any of you as individuals. If you took at as a personal attack on you then accept my apologies.

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Who cares where you fly or what equipment. At the end of the day it's about payday and retirement. Of course quality of life and manipulating your schedule and picking up trips and dropping trips is pretty sweet. Have never had the opportunities I have now.
Btw flying international is not only easy but very boring. To act like only the heavies have any idea how to do it shows you'alls life on an island and arrogance. I flew in Hawaii for 19 years and know that times will change as will your airline. Embrace it and enjoy what you brag about now cause who knows what the future will bring. Funny thing is it's completely out of the pilots (employees hands). Now go out and enjoy your Families or Ohana and enjoy the day.
Mahalo.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Wow, "who let the Hawiian's out"? I thought you guys were all about hangin loose and stuff. Now you guys are sounding like the General with his SWA bashing and talking about his international layovers. Guess what, none of us have a say if this would ever happen or not. So go catch a wave and relax bro!!!

 

[Dan Roman]

Yes, you guys do get very defensive. Don't slam Southwest and not expect a retort.
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Just to be clear, this all started because of some, very frankly, arrogant comments about SWA "buying" Hawaiian. In others words, some of you guys thinks it would be just fine to destroy a great career and replace it with a lessor job. That's the perception and why you are getting slammed in retaliation. Again, nothing personal. The question was also posed about merging with DAL vs SWA.....clearly a DAL merger would create an airline with much greater opportunities that match our flying. SWA and HA would just create a little wannabe legacy with mainland LCC route structure paired up with a relatively small International hub in HNL. Hardly much to aspire too. Plus SWA doesn't "merge" they acquire. Putting us in that perspective is a huge insult.

 

[Dan Roman]

Who cares where you fly or what equipment. At the end of the day it's about payday and retirement. Of course quality of life and manipulating your schedule and picking up trips and dropping trips is pretty sweet. Have never had the opportunities I have now.
Btw flying international is not only easy but very boring. To act like only the heavies have any idea how to do it shows you'alls life on an island and arrogance. I flew in Hawaii for 19 years and know that times will change as will your airline. Embrace it and enjoy what you brag about now cause who knows what the future will bring. Funny thing is it's completely out of the pilots (employees hands). Now go out and enjoy your Families or Ohana and enjoy the day.
Mahalo.

Which means you know a lot of pilots currently flying for Hawaiian....yet you posted on here that you hope DAL buys us and staples us. That says a lot about your character.

 

[808pilot]

wow... how often do you see anything pop up about hawaiian? on this site no less? everyone on this bizarre website would defend the company they work for... so because we are out on some islands, working for a small company that has been around for over 80 years now, we are not allowed to become a little more vocal in defending ourselves against the masses?
highspeed... you're right... we don't care what equipment others fly because its not what we fly... we care about our company... so if someone starts making these lame ass claims that we are gonna get bought out and stapled(classy by the way), don't be so surprised when we decide to defend ourselves...
i've got a few really good friends that fly for southwest and thank god because otherwise my view of SW would be pretty dim... in fact everyone i've ever met from SW has been pretty cool... why this website brings out your arrogance is beyond me... call us arrogant if you want but it's pride that we have... pride that we are a small company flying to some great places... we are all well aware that things could change tomorrow and that as pilots we have no control but we are gonna continue to enjoy our lifestyle not having to deal with all your mainland BS...
rant over...
ran out of brown water...

808

p.s.
arguing with people online is like playing chess with pidgeons... no matter how good you are the bird is going to $h.. on the board and strut around like it won anyway... (perfect definition of FI)