realityman
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MM,
You make a valid point. We certainly don't want them sticking their heads into our local's business just any old time they feel like it. Would certainly slow things down for us, instead of helping.
HOWEVER, should they do absolutely nothing when ASKED for assistance by a group that sends them a great deal of money every month?
And again, I beg you to go back and read Bill O's numerous posts on the subject. He has told us several times that when he asked for their help, ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL, that in essence, they were nowhere to be found. You keep advocating that we need representation on the national level. Well, when we asked for help with it, it wasn't there. Like I said, don't take my word for it. Go back and read the information from the people who were directly involved. That's what I did.
When the FAA convened the FOARC to come up with the new 91K regs, NJA had reps there, including at least one individual from our own local. But where the heck was our representation from the IBT? What? Dealing with the FAA directly wasn't national enough for them?
Fact is, they have no clue about our side of the industry. And they simply refuse to learn. The plight of all labor is our plight too, up to a certain point. But there simply isn't any way they can effectively represent us on the national level if they don't even understand us. Heck, go and read it from our leaders. They've demonstrated how IBT doesn't really even understand the RLA!! That's pretty freaking significant! And not in a good way for us.
As for 60 years from now, you're right again. Who knows? But hey, it'll only be at the end of this contract when we can really determine if we did the right thing with this IBB. It'll only be at the end of the next president's term of office when we know if we elected the right person. It'll only be at the end of your career when you know if you invested your 401K properly. All we can do for now is take the information at hand and make the best decision possible. Our leaders have looked at this for a while now. The rank and file are getting much less time to evaluate things. But not everyone is a follower. You're not. And that's good. I try not to be, but I'm not as smart as many others, so prefer to look for the right questions asked by others and see what the answers are. Then evaluate and decide. From what I've seen, we need to get away from the IBT.
By the way, did you read any of the 'informational mailings' by Hoffa? What'd you think of him trying to take credit for the things our leaders, and WE THE PILOTS, accomplished without any help from them? Do you trust someone who would lie to the very people who are in the best position to know better? That not only makes them liars, but stupid to boot.
Maybe we will need a powerful representational voice in Washington in the future, but the IBT is on its way out. Something better will come along. Even if it's ourselves.
You make a valid point. We certainly don't want them sticking their heads into our local's business just any old time they feel like it. Would certainly slow things down for us, instead of helping.
HOWEVER, should they do absolutely nothing when ASKED for assistance by a group that sends them a great deal of money every month?
And again, I beg you to go back and read Bill O's numerous posts on the subject. He has told us several times that when he asked for their help, ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL, that in essence, they were nowhere to be found. You keep advocating that we need representation on the national level. Well, when we asked for help with it, it wasn't there. Like I said, don't take my word for it. Go back and read the information from the people who were directly involved. That's what I did.
When the FAA convened the FOARC to come up with the new 91K regs, NJA had reps there, including at least one individual from our own local. But where the heck was our representation from the IBT? What? Dealing with the FAA directly wasn't national enough for them?
Fact is, they have no clue about our side of the industry. And they simply refuse to learn. The plight of all labor is our plight too, up to a certain point. But there simply isn't any way they can effectively represent us on the national level if they don't even understand us. Heck, go and read it from our leaders. They've demonstrated how IBT doesn't really even understand the RLA!! That's pretty freaking significant! And not in a good way for us.
As for 60 years from now, you're right again. Who knows? But hey, it'll only be at the end of this contract when we can really determine if we did the right thing with this IBB. It'll only be at the end of the next president's term of office when we know if we elected the right person. It'll only be at the end of your career when you know if you invested your 401K properly. All we can do for now is take the information at hand and make the best decision possible. Our leaders have looked at this for a while now. The rank and file are getting much less time to evaluate things. But not everyone is a follower. You're not. And that's good. I try not to be, but I'm not as smart as many others, so prefer to look for the right questions asked by others and see what the answers are. Then evaluate and decide. From what I've seen, we need to get away from the IBT.
By the way, did you read any of the 'informational mailings' by Hoffa? What'd you think of him trying to take credit for the things our leaders, and WE THE PILOTS, accomplished without any help from them? Do you trust someone who would lie to the very people who are in the best position to know better? That not only makes them liars, but stupid to boot.
Maybe we will need a powerful representational voice in Washington in the future, but the IBT is on its way out. Something better will come along. Even if it's ourselves.