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[Gordo]

I spoke with Bob Neil today. I am planning to return in October and was told recall classes will likley be over by then and I'd be placed with new hires. They are looking at September as the begining of new hire classes and should have that flowed out in the next couple of weeks as the more senior furloughees make their decisions on the last chance call backs. Once new hires begin, he said they'll likely be looking at 40/month for the rest of the year and through next summer.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

ill believe it when I see it

 

[Powda5]

Can you post the awards that come out soon? Still looking for DEN-300...thank u!

Any truth to a rumor about DEN being downsized due to competiton?

Also, does a 2001 hire date benefit a returnee in any way? Or is it pretty much like coming back as a 2007 newhire with the exception of having completed 8 months first year pay already before the furlough? Is there anything else we get from the other 6 years of being an employee/furloughee? I know vacation is where I left off, for example, with no accrual.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

No hiring info yet on ual.com.

cliff
ELP

 

[Yuppyguppy]

DEN will not be dwnsized per conf call on 1st qtr earnings

 

[GuppyPuppy]

I've been leaning towards staying at JB rather than going back to United for a few reasons:

1. Age 65- It is coming and will further keep me in a lower paying seat for up to five more years.

2. Commute- Right now all of my trips are commutable on both sides. At UA, I'd more than likely get trips that are commutable only on one end.

3. Days off- At JB I'm easily getting 15 days off per month with 82 hours. At United, 12 days off and I'll be commuting on days off.

4. Pay- At 82 hours (JB), vs. 85 hours (UA) I'd be making $35,000 more in total compensation over the next three years. Because I'm contributing 10% to my 401k, about half of that 35k will go directly into my retirement accounts. My paycheck would be $700, $500, and $400 per month more at JB vs UA over the next three years respectively. The gap widens dramatically if I increase my hours at JB fractionally.

* #'s 2, 3 and 4 are considering B737 F/O vs. E190 Capt.

The pros of going back to United over JB include ALPA aeromedical and legal, upgrading into larger equipment, better choice of domiciles (in the long run as my wife and I would like to move out west eventually), sixteen percent into retirement from company with NO pilot contribution.

If I go back to United, my PIC turbine time comes to a screeching halt. However, I would have my 1000 TPIC (just barely) if I go back in July. I'd also be near the bottom of the seniority list at UA and suffer from any setback (furlough) due to the economy, terrorism, merger or buyout (Tilton seems to be an advocate of the latter two). At JB, while I'm still subject to a buyout or merger, I'm more than halfway up the seniority list.

I'd like to get on with UPS eventually (I know their app. window is now closed) and move to ANC.

I have six days left to decide to give up or keep what was once my dream job. Wish the UA contract gave me six years like they do some folks.

Any comments or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

GP

 

[Huggyu2]

If you plan to go to UPS in the long run, it seems you might be doing the right thing. Best of luck in your choice.

Wish the UA contract gave me six years like they do some folks.
Any comments or suggestions are greatly appreciated.
GP

Just to clarify: Federal Law (not UAL) gives folks on military leave up to 5 years.
However, UAL & ALPA did agree to add a year, making it 6 years. Kind of an "in for a dime, in for a dollar" mentality, I think (I mean that in a positive way).

 

[GuppyPuppy]

If you plan to go to UPS in the long run, it seems you might be doing the right thing. Best of luck in your choice.



Just to clarify: Federal Law (not UAL) gives folks on military leave up to 5 years.
However, UAL & ALPA did agree to add a year, making it 6 years. Kind of an "in for a dime, in for a dollar" mentality, I think (I mean that in a positive way).

My apologies. Didn't know that. Still, quite a pi$$er!

GP

 

[Dano]

Gup Pup,

You and me are in a very similar spot (although I haven't got the final letter yet). And I am thinking the same things. In addition to your comments consider your age. I am 40 and the numbers I come up with to be a 320 reserve CA at United put me over 50 or 55 with the new law (seniority at Blue is mid 700's, at U is 7500 and change). 16% is great but does not seem like it would make up for lost income as a blue CA over that many years.

The one thing about United is I am quite confident that they will be around when we retire, Blue maybe, maybe not.

I was hired onto shuttle and loved it, and guess what, that is exactly what Blue feels like to me. I bid off shuttle when it was getting ugly and I did not like mainline near as much (except the $$ and retirement).

I must admit the new Blue management has swayed me to probably stay, either way the decision must be made without looking back.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I heard that JetBlue was un-commutable. I'd have to go GRB-somewhere-NYC. I would reconsider if I knew I could commute practically speaking. What is the commute situation at JetBlue???

I will also probably apply at UAL as the ORD base is not too bad of a commute.

cliff
YIP