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[PuffDriver]

The "Baseball Style Arbitration" is limited in scope and only deals with interpretation of "Replacement Aircraft Language" as it applies to fences, according to the description made in the hearing.

Correct, but more than that, it is a screw which is being tightened.

 

[nwaredtail]

You are not paying attention to what is going on, and you are setting yourself up for Green book, Red book relations.

I could care less about that. If the award is anywhere closes to what y'all asked for, then y'all set yourselves up for that.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Correct, but more than that, it is a screw which is being tightened.

You must know more than me on the subject. I could only guess based on the comments made during testimony.

 

[PuffDriver]

I could care less about that. If the award is anywhere closes to what y'all asked for, then y'all set yourselves up for that.

Too bad. Even if the award goes DOH with fences, it will likely be rejected by Delta--as eluded to in yesterday's testimony. Even if accepted, I would consider it for what it is, and move on. You are saying that NWA guys will burn the house down ala USAir if it goes Delta's way? If so, I would say that you set yourself up for it. It wouldn't surprise me though, with the way NWA has handled just about everything since the announcement right up through yesterday's testimony.

 

[PuffDriver]

You must know more than me on the subject. I could only guess based on the comments made during testimony.

Me too, just a gut feeling.

 

[DTW320]

MR. FREUND:
.....And if, but only if, the parties
cannot reach agreement in the context
of those very specific standards set
out in that condition and restriction
with the matter coming back to one
member of the panel for resolution in a baseball-style arbitration.
.......

ARBITRATOR EISCHEN: Jeff, just one focused question.
You used the analogy to baseball
arbitration. Are you talking about the
baseball salary arbitration?
MR. FREUND: Yes.
ARBITRATOR EISCHEN: By express
requirement of the parties, no opinion is written or expressed by the arbitrator. It's simply a bare-bones
award. Was that your intent?
MR. FREUND: You would simply pick
one set of language over the other. To
be honest with you, we had not thought
about whether an opinion should or
shouldn't be written. We didn't focus on that.
The point I was simply trying to
make is that the arbitrators should
pick one side's language or the other
side.
ARBITRATOR EISCHEN: I don't want
to fine tune this too much but I
wondered if you literally intended no
opinion?

Wow. Impressive screw-tightening.

Yawn...

 

[PuffDriver]

Wow. Impressive screw-tightening.

Yawn...

Ok fine, it wasn't screw tightening. The rest was blown out of the water then. Better yet, fill us in on the mediated talks and what happened there--which is what the comment referenced. Better still, here is you favorite speling error. Focus on that. It is just as germane.

 

[DTW320]

Ok fine, it wasn't screw tightening. The rest was blown out of the water then. Better yet, fill us in on the mediated talks and what happened there--which is what the comment referenced. Better still, here is you favorite speling error. Focus on that. It is just as germane.

Riiiight. Divert Divert. Predictable. BTW, the whole thing was a lot more impressive in person according to many NWA attendees. Why was it again that in LA, a DAL base, only 2 Delta pilots showed up?

 

[~~~^~~~]

The other 7,498 were filling out their bid preference sheets with "do not pair with." Putting in 4,500 numbers takes a while. I hope I did not waste any time with "retired - disabled pilots" but with the NWA list, who knows? Better safe than sorry.

But hey, I'll be Superpilot 92's FO any day. Hope he doesn't give me crap for not being a real DC9 pilot.
:beer:

 

[PuffDriver]

Riiiight. Divert Divert. Predictable. BTW, the whole thing was a lot more impressive in person according to many NWA attendees. Why was it again that in LA, a DAL base, only 2 Delta pilots showed up?

Deflect, divert, deflect, divert. You forgot to correct my spelling. Always remember that SPELLING is your forte, apparently as much as counting Delta pilots.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Poor Super is not a dc-9 pilot now either. He is flying the toy jet.

 

[~~~^~~~]

The 319 / 320? Hope he can take dictation and type 60WPM. I'm on Flightinfo to prepare for my A330 type.

 

[General Lee]

Poor Super is not a dc-9 pilot now either. He is flying the toy jet.

Those guys don't "fly" the jet, they "manage" it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DTW320]

Deflect, divert, deflect, divert. You forgot to correct my spelling. Always remember that SPELLING is your forte, apparently as much as counting Delta pilots.

So let me get this straight Puffball....when I DO correct your generally bad spelling, I am "desperate" or "have nothing substantive" to debate with.....but when I DON'T correct your bad spelling, somehow I'm still "diverting" and "deflecting". Meanwhile, YOU have no comment on the FACTS posted about your position. BTW....ignoring questions posed to you = deflecting and diverting.

Sad

 

[DTW320]

The other 7,498 were filling out their bid preference sheets with "do not pair with." Putting in 4,500 numbers takes a while.

At NWA the computer bidding command is "avoid employee number" and only F/O's can use it because CA bids are run before F/O bids. So are you saying that all 7500 of you will be F/O's? I like it....let's go with that then.

 

[PuffDriver]

So let me get this straight Puffball....when I DO correct your generally bad spelling, I am "desperate" or "have nothing substantive" to debate with.....but when I DON'T correct your bad spelling, somehow I'm still "diverting" and "deflecting". Meanwhile, YOU have no comment on the FACTS posted about your position. BTW....ignoring questions posed to you = deflecting and diverting.

Sad

Actually, I didn't consider the question relevant to the debate at hand, and rather than address the issues, you seem to take a lot of stock in spelling errors and counting Delta pilots at hearings for which they have no input, no swaying ability, and for which transcripts are posted daily. Nonetheless, you wondered why only two Delta pilots showed up to the hearings. Ok, here's my answer. I don't have the information at my fingertips, but I believe that more NWA pilots LIVE in the LA area than do LA based Delta pilots. Additionally, although some of us considered going to the hearings, the locale and cost of hotels prohibited it. Perhaps others were flying. Perhaps the ease of just reading the transcripts online. Perhaps it was the NWA pilots, and not the Delta pilots, who wanted the hearings open. Perhaps the Delta pilots correctly believed that a huge turnout would affect the proceedings exactly "0".

Would you like to know my favorite color?

 

[MJ42]

Actually, I didn't consider the question relevant to the debate at hand, and rather than address the issues, you seem to take a lot of stock in spelling errors and counting Delta pilots at hearings for which they have no input, no swaying ability, and for which transcripts are posted daily. Nonetheless, you wondered why only two Delta pilots showed up to the hearings. Ok, here's my answer. I don't have the information at my fingertips, but I believe that more NWA pilots LIVE in the LA area than do LA based Delta pilots. Additionally, although some of us considered going to the hearings, the locale and cost of hotels prohibited it. Perhaps others were flying. Perhaps the ease of just reading the transcripts online. Perhaps it was the NWA pilots, and not the Delta pilots, who wanted the hearings open. Perhaps the Delta pilots correctly believed that a huge turnout would affect the proceedings exactly "0".

Would you like to know my favorite color?

My guess would be pink. You talk tough, but we all know you're a p*ssy!

 

[PuffDriver]

My guess would be pink. You talk tough, but we all know you're a p*ssy!

Actually, I believe pink was referenced in the transcripts as representing the NWA pilots. Don't believe me, though, read it for yourself.

I love it. You guys got NOTHING. Sticks and stones, mate, sticks and stones.

ARBITRATOR HOROWITZ: And also this
new color scheme is intriguing. I'm
assuming from your remark that the pink
refers to Northwest pilots?

ARBITRATOR EISCHEN: I think it's
magenta.

 

[DTW320]

I don't have the information at my fingertips, but I believe that more NWA pilots LIVE in the LA area than do LA based Delta pilots.

Doubt it. One of your "vastly superior" bases and nobody lives there? Telling.

Perhaps the famous DALPA Batphone, that can fill stadiums at a moments notice, was on MEL.

Apparently, there's a whole lot of info that you "don't have at your fingertips". Now, get back to quoting "ink cartridge" stories from the hearing you weren't at.

Hilarious.

 

[PuffDriver]

Doubt it. One of your "vastly superior" bases and nobody lives there? Telling.

Apparently, there's a whole lot of info that you "don't have at your fingertips". Now, get back to quoting "ink cartridge" stories from the hearing you weren't at.

Hilarious.

Telling of what? I didn't say that nobody lives there. I am saying that it is a small base. Many SLC guys commute there. Many SAN guys commute there. Many SEA guys commute there. I don't feel the need to have the occupancy rate of NWA pilots in the LAX area at my fingertips. You asked a question that is not relevant. I ignored it. You based the entire arbitration on it, so I answered it. One of your home boys jumped in with what he apparently thought was a great slam, to which I had the perfect rebuttal FROM the arbitration.

Do you have ANYTHING relevant to add? Apparently not, much like your counsel. Telling, as you say, and hilarious.

If 747 is indeed premium widebody flying, then DC-9 flying is indeed discount narrowbody flying, at least that is what it is being turned into.

You gotta do better than this.