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[luckydog]

I'll bite. I'd like to see the union for: bases, pay, day one issues, last day issues, job action security, guaranteed recalls at released terms, and any future changes which may come that aren't in play right now.

Union at flex wouldn't be so bad. Management/labor relations aren't horrible and a union wouldn't change that. All it would do is give labor a seat at the table.

There's nothing to fear except fear itself. I think non-union folks are afraid of change and that's OK. My grandma was scared of the auto-mobile once but in the end she embraced them and couldn't live without one.

It's easy to create a wish list, now list the things you're willing to give up to get them. It's a negotiation so nothing will be free and everything is fair game.

 

[Nolife]

It's easy to create a wish list, now list the things you're willing to give up to get them. It's a negotiation so nothing will be free and everything is fair game.

Very good point. Democracy is messy but with a union at least you get to practice it at the work place.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Yup. Right now it's management telling us what our issues are and then letting us put some cursory input into the solution. Granted they've picked a few good ones, but it's a one way street where I can either sit and watch, get in line, or get run over for trying to head upstream.

 

[netjetwife]

There is another option...

The Flex pilots could claim a bona fide seat at the table where true discussions take place among equal partners. As it is now Flex management doesn't have to change their one-way communication style and apparently won't until the pilots (with legal backing) insist on it.

No one should be surprised when management places a low priority on pilot issues. It's a pilot group's responsibility to promote their own interests. You can't expect managers to care more about your career and your family than you do. Like it or not, being unorganized tells management you don't care enough to bother so they can just set the agenda that matches their interests--not yours. But surely you guys have topics you'd like to discuss? Best Wishes, NJW

 

[EatSleepFly]

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.....

You're preaching to the choir. I sent my card in, along with probably everyone else on this site... and all we got in return was a pen from 1108 with our company name spelled wrong. What a joke.

 

[netjetwife]

That's awful.... When did that happen? The 1108 pilots were rather distracted, fighting for their contract. Now that their foundation is in place they should be able to offer more assistance. After all, they were able to get organized and win a contract so it just stands to reason that Flex pilots would be able to, as well, especially now that the method of counting votes has been made fair. Where there's a will, there's a way.

A contract is worth the extra effort so I hope you'll try again. If you don't get the proper response I'd keep moving up the chain until you find the right person. [/I] Flex pilots deserve a seat at the table and some control over their destiny. Your families deserve a balanced schedule offered by the industry standard 7 and 7.

 

[dime line]

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.....

You're preaching to the choir. I sent my card in, along with probably everyone else on this site... and all we got in return was a pen from 1108 with our company name spelled wrong. What a joke.

What did you want? What were you entitled to? Have you never spelled anything wrong? I'm not saying it is right, but it is a bunch of pilots running the 1108. And everyboidy nose we dont spell good. So if you want a Rolex, yu better get another career. What have you done to help the 1108 (bunch of pilots, volunteering there time) with your card drive?

 

[Nolife]

... and all we got in return was a pen from 1108 with our company name spelled wrong. What a joke.

You got a pen?

 

[notapilot]

Your families deserve a balanced schedule offered by the industry standard 7 and 7.

This is why you can't be taken serious. You have no idea what any of our issues are, but you keep insisting we are so mistreated. Our schedule has nothing to do with it. Your husband can keep his 7/7 schedule. There aren't many I know that want to be gone for 7 days. Though I understand why your husband might. We have a far superior scheduling system that allows us choices rather than a ridged 7/7. We do have our share of issues much like the unionized company your husband works for. Sorry, but that's life. I am not against organization, but at this point not enough people feel it's necessary. If you really think about it, that's a good thing. Perhaps it will change in the future, but the decision can not be forced.

 

[Club ORD FO]

I will agree that I think we have the most schedule options/flexibility in the industry. I bet we are last in crew catering tho...

 

[ArtVandalay]

In 3 years we'll have another group called the pilot enhancement association. They'll tell us that the focus group didn't really fulfill what they intended it to but, this new fresh group is here to listen. Each pilot will have his own personal representative to forward complaints and issues to. Upper management will be directly spoken with on these issues, yada yada yada. Because each pilot will have his own representative on the association group, we will need to hire an additional 400 pilots to cover each pilot. Those extra 400 pilots will be able to effectively negotiate crew meal choices for each pilot but only on a monthly basis. If you want chicken, you'll get chicken, 3 times a day for every rotation for the entire month. Chicken enchiladas, chicken and dumplings, chicken and rice, etc...We will be able to get a PDF version of the FOM within the next 6-8 years but only available on the original blackberry's, not the curve; therefore, we will need to hire an additional 400 pilots to create a focus group for the 2nd 400 pilots to study the effects of switching to an Iphone and what impact this will have on the company and how to implement the FOM into the iphone.

Ok so a little bitterness here. What the hell do we have 4 ACP's for?? They know the complaints we have but, they want US to come up with solutions?? I have a solution, management needs to fix problems, not us.

 

[notapilot]

Well said Art.

 

[Nolife]

Actually I heard plenty of good cost saving solutions to issues while I was there and those solutions were always shot down by DG among others for various non-sensical reason... like "because I said so" from your Dad. Basing is a good example and I never could get a good reason why they were so limited. It's not that they want pilot to find solutions, it's that they don't want to change.

 

[ArtVandalay]

Until certain people are no longer at flex, the status quo will be the norm. It's not a bad place to work, in fact, I'm quite happy here; however, in the 7+ years I've been here, crew meals have always been an issue and here we are still trying to figure it out when all the company needs to do is the right thing. Make it right. Ok it's going to cost a hair more to give these guys a choice in their meals, SO WHAT. What the company is really saying to us is that WE are not WORTH them spending the money to make us happier. That is what all this boils down to and crew meals is just a metaphor for how the company really feels about our happiness.

 

[Flyingdog1]

If you want chicken, you'll get chicken, 3 times a day for every rotation for the entire month. Chicken enchiladas, chicken and dumplings, chicken and rice, etc...


What about the KFC Double down?? That's got to be healthy, no bread.