Just Shredded The Union Card

[flagshipper]

<div class="bbWrapper">Funny thing is Bogart that I have talked to at least 12 people, myself included, who have sent their union cards in since we got that email from BS. I will take a 12 to 1 ratio anyday.</div>

 

[Stinkbug]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 4254" data-quote="x402" data-source="post: 1483938" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1483938" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1483938">x402 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I hope a staple gun is included in that conversation </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> Very spiteful thing to say. Not exactly in keeping with the whole concept of &quot;The Brotherhood&quot;, and that attitude certainly won&#039;t garner support for your side from those who are riding the fence</div>

 

[Stinkbug]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 28053" data-quote="johnsonrod" data-source="post: 1483865" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1483865" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1483865">johnsonrod said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You sound like you are either CS management or a former scab. Your objectivity is DEAD in the water. After CS management&#039;s response to Netjets&#039; TA, the union looks more likely than ever despite your efforts... Change is good. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> Would 1108 send a card to a management guy? Honest question, I&#039;m not 100% sure how that works</div>

 

[Stinkbug]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 25773" data-quote="NETFLIER" data-source="post: 1483828" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1483828" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1483828">NETFLIER said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> after conversation with pelton on a netjets airplane to cali, you wont need to fill your cards out at all. we will welcome you with open arms...:beer: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> I find it very hard to believe that the CEO of Cessna would discuss anything like that with a line pilot</div>

 

[pilotyip]

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>sent one to me</b><br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 2321" data-quote="Stinkbug" data-source="post: 1484063" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1484063" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1484063">Stinkbug said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Would 1108 send a card to a management guy? Honest question, I&#039;m not 100% sure how that works </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><span style="font-size: 10px">In our last union drive by the UAW, I was sent a card, even though I am management, I do fly the line and was on the seniority list<br /> </span></div>

 

[x402]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 2321" data-quote="Stinkbug" data-source="post: 1484062" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1484062" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1484062">Stinkbug said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Very spiteful thing to say. Not exactly in keeping with the whole concept of &quot;The Brotherhood&quot;, and that attitude certainly won&#039;t garner support for your side from those who are riding the fence </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Not Spiteful at all, it is in response to the earlier post about a possible buyout/merger of CS.<br /> I don&#039;t have any info about it, but I&#039;d be hard pressed to accept a non NJI/NJA, non Union group, in any other way than being placed at the bottom of our seniority list.<br /> <br /> This is all speculation based on one post and my personal opinion.<br /> <br /> <br /> PS, I&#039;m not trying to garner any support for &quot;my&quot; side. It&#039;s abundantly clear about the mgt/labor relationship. You get what you negotiate for, or you accept what they give you. I like the first idea.</div>

 

[FLYLOW22]

<div class="bbWrapper">If a company fails, it is usually for a myriad of reasons.<br /> <br /> <br /> It IS, however, easy to blame one factor of influence (the &quot;Union&quot;) on it&#039;s failure.<br /> <br /> Fill out those cards guys. Good luck!</div>

 

[hydrarkt]

<div class="bbWrapper">Well, I just know that 1108 has been TERRIBLE for the pilots at NJA and for the company!! I mean, the pilots have to suffer with industry leading pay, specified work rules, full insurance, over 100 bases, great representation, a good LMRP, and more. And the POOR company!! I don&#039;t know what they&#039;ll possibly do with record profits this year!!! Stupid 1108!!</div>

 

[fischman]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 7243" data-quote="hydrarkt" data-source="post: 1484384" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1484384" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1484384">hydrarkt said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Well, I just know that 1108 has been TERRIBLE for the pilots at NJA and for the company!! I mean, the pilots have to suffer with industry leading pay, specified work rules, full insurance, over 100 bases, great representation, a good LMRP, and more. And the POOR company!! I don&#039;t know what they&#039;ll possibly do with record profits this year!!! Stupid 1108!! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> <br /> No kidding!!! Do you have ANY IDEA how much I&#039;m going to have to pay in taxes next year???</div>

 

[RNObased]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 14367" data-quote="Humphreybogart" data-source="post: 1483441" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1483441" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1483441">Humphreybogart said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What nerve the Union (1108) has sending the CitationShares pilots unsolicited cards in the mail. I just gave mine a quick trip through the shredder. They have gonads the size of elephants. Say NO to the union. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> <br /> Congrats Bogart,<br /> You just doomed yourself to another several years of sub standard wages and less then ideal working conditions. Or maybe the rumor about Pelton is true. Then I pray to god you pull the gear on my jet, I&#039;m sure we would get along just fine.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></div>

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

<div class="bbWrapper">Wow,<br /> <br /> Maybe the reason some people (myself included) are resistant to 1108 is the way it is being presented to us at the other fractionals. There seem to be about 10 people at each company that post 95% of the time on here and they feel it is their right to DECREE that every fractional MUST join 1108. If you have an opinion other than theirs, they call you a management pilot, a scab, or tell you they can&#039;t wait until they buy you and staple you to the bottom of their list. Wow, nice way to try to intimidate fellow pilots into doing what you say.<br /> <br /> It seems that an employee group probably needs a union when management is treating you so poorly that there is no other choice. From my time spent in FBO crew lounges it seems that the only pilots that complain more than the NetJet guys/gals are the Flight Option guys/gals. Hmmmm, what do those two have in common.<br /> <br /> It seems that the union promoters all want us to join because everyone else is doing it and by us joining 1108 we will all instantly get NetJet pay and work rules. When I was hired at FlexJet NetJets had a contract under 1108 and they were one of the lower paid fractionals. Why do these people believe that we will get what NetJets has now with our first contract?<br /> <br /> They also tell me how bad management is treating me. Wait, isn&#039;t that a decision I am allowed to make, or do I need to relinquish all thought to the 1108 since they apparently know better than us. I do appreciate your interest in bettering all the other fractionals, and when I feel that we need that here I will probably come asking.<br /> <br /> But please, until then stop sending me union cards that I didn&#039;t request and propaganda to convince me that 1108 is the only choice and that I would be an idiot not to give my first born child to join. Oh, and thank you for the orange FlexJet(s) pen that your dues paid for.<br /> <br /> <br /> TWA 2 ASA FO</div>

 

[pilotyip]

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>Reality Check</b><br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 11705" data-quote="TWA 2 ASA FO" data-source="post: 1485491" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1485491" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1485491">TWA 2 ASA FO said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Wow,<br /> <br /> But please, until then stop sending me union cards that I didn&#039;t request and propaganda to convince me that 1108 is the only choice and that I would be an idiot not to give my first born child to join. Oh, and thank you for the orange FlexJet(s) pen that your dues paid for.<br /> <br /> <br /> TWA 2 ASA FO </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>This is a pilot board it has nothing to do reality, because you are not pro-union anti-managment you are the anti-christ</div>

 

[rsm]

<div class="bbWrapper">TWA ASA FO...<br /> <br /> Did you ever get any unsolicited mail in your mailbox?? Same differance don&#039;t take offense.</div>

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

<div class="bbWrapper">rsm,<br /> <br /> Should I take this as the same thing, someone trying to sell me something I don&#039;t want?<br /> <br /> <br /> TWA 2 ASA FO</div>

 

[FRLWD]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 11705" data-quote="TWA 2 ASA FO" data-source="post: 1485491" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1485491" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1485491">TWA 2 ASA FO said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Wow,<br /> <br /> Maybe the reason some people (myself included) are resistant to 1108 is the way it is being presented to us at the other fractionals. There seem to be about 10 people at each company that post 95% of the time on here and they feel it is their right to DECREE that every fractional MUST join 1108. If you have an opinion other than theirs, they call you a management pilot, a scab, or tell you they can&#039;t wait until they buy you and staple you to the bottom of their list. Wow, nice way to try to intimidate fellow pilots into doing what you say. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> You should know by now that this web-site is the last place you should go if looking for factual, unbiased information.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 11705" data-quote="TWA 2 ASA FO" data-source="post: 1485491" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1485491" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1485491">TWA 2 ASA FO said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> From my time spent in FBO crew lounges it seems that the only pilots that complain more than the NetJet guys/gals are the Flight Option guys/gals. Hmmmm, what do those two have in common. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> From my time spent in FBO crew lounges the NetJet pilots are the only ones not complaining.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 11705" data-quote="TWA 2 ASA FO" data-source="post: 1485491" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1485491" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1485491">TWA 2 ASA FO said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> When I was hired at FlexJet NetJets had a contract under 1108 and they were one of the lower paid fractionals. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Not true. It wasn&#039;t until the NetJet pilots formed their own local, (Local 1108), that they negotiated their industry leading cintract.</div>

 

[Semore Butts]

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>Good on ya TWA.. (Sorry about your airline)</b><br /> <br /> All that jazz about the few speaking for the many on the boards is true.<br /> <br /> As a former Flex guy I can appreciate whats its like to be looking at the other companies. (I&#039;m happy at 1108 and Netjets since leaving all my friends at Flex)<br /> <br /> You go boy and do as you wish, it&#039;s America man.<br /> <br /> Its only a few talking and taking the time to encourage you to follow what is their opinion.<br /> <br /> Like those losers like John Hancock and Benjamin Franklin that signed the Magna Carta!<br /> <br /> And how about those 300 Spartans that defended the Alamo!<br /> <br /> If everybody else at your company eats a sh%t sandwich, you go ahead and eat one too!<br /> <br /> Don&#039;t be intimidated by those few that may want Chicken saled instead of Chicken sh&amp;t!<br /> <br /> Screw those rebels and there wanted to make it better for you!<br /> <br /> <i>It&#039;s your God given right you dimwit! (My opinion)</i></div>

 

[doh]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 14367" data-quote="Humphreybogart" data-source="post: 1483441" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1483441" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1483441">Humphreybogart said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What nerve the Union (1108) has sending the CitationShares pilots unsolicited cards in the mail. I just gave mine a quick trip through the shredder. They have gonads the size of elephants. Say NO to the union. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> You made a huge mistake shredding that paper my friend. Do you know the environmental impact of wasting paper?!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> I used my mailing to make a grocery list, plan the dimensions of a wood working project, make a rough draft of my new year&#039;s resolutions, and finally make another grocery list. You need to do penance to the Green Gods and be more careful in the future!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></div>

 

[CaveoFalco]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 10595" data-quote="doh" data-source="post: 1485842" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1485842" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1485842">doh said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You made a huge mistake shredding that paper my friend. Do you know the environmental impact of wasting paper?!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> I used my mailing to make a grocery list, plan the dimensions of a wood working project, make a rough draft of my new year&#039;s resolutions, and finally make another grocery list. You need to do penance to the Green Gods and be more careful in the future!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> If you had representation, chances are you would have lots of money left over after doing your grocery shopping.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /><br /> <br /> 1108 is not going to organize for you nor force you to organize and if you do. 1108 will just show you how. If you choose your own, none, or other, it is your choice. Any contract you get is what you are willing to fight for. A Union is the membership. You may be happy with what you have but others are probably not.<br /> <br /> While, wages and benefits are extremely important in a contract, the little discussed but most important benefit of any CBA, in my opinion, is the Duty of Fair Representation and Weingarten like rights. Challenging bogus discipline personally/individually can be expensive. Bogus discipline does not happen at NJA - our Steward corps and Union leadership makes sure of that. Both the Company and the 1108 pilot group are better off as a result.</div>

 

[B19 Flyer]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 28053" data-quote="johnsonrod" data-source="post: 1483865" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1483865" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1483865">johnsonrod said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> So, the status quo works for you? Can you speak for your other pilots? Do they not deserve better pay, better health care, better work rules than what they currently have? <br /> <br /> You sound like you are either CS management or a former scab. Your objectivity is DEAD in the water. After CS management&#039;s response to Netjets&#039; TA, the union looks more likely than ever despite your efforts... Change is good. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Status quo? A union is anything but status quo. The pot is always being stirred and once every four or five years everybody in the company needs to go through the never-ending and nervewracking nightmare called &quot;negotiations&quot;. </span><br /> <br /> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Should the economy slip, these &quot;negotiations&quot; are never ending, and bankruptcy or even worse may occur when the union drags it&#039;s feet like it always does. </span><br /> <br /> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Status quo at a non-union carrier means a stable and profitable career without the nightmare of negotiations or the threat of a job loss due to radical union intervention. </span></div>

 

[RNObased]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 29553" data-quote="B19 Flyer" data-source="post: 1486975" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1486975" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1486975">B19 Flyer said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Status quo at a non-union carrier means a stable and profitable career without the nightmare of negotiations or the threat of a job loss due to radical union intervention. </span> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> So did you take time out from stirring the Kool-Aid to post this?? You are amazing. After the crap you post about FLOPs then you have the nerve to post something about stable careers. When FLOPs is anything but a stable career. <br /> <br /> I know you are going to say something dumb in response like, &quot;It wasn&#039;t that way until they voted to bring in the union&quot; Which anyone that knows anything about the fractional industry, knows not to be be the case. <br /> <br /> My word you are a piece of work.</div>