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Correct me if I'm wrong, but, anyone who was already on the A-320 and didn't bid to upgrade on the 190 right away is under a 2 year aircraft lock beginning the first day the E-190 started carrying passengers.

So if that is the case then a 3 year FO can't upgrade to the E-190 for another year and a half.

Like I said, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
October 07 is when the fence comes down. Untill then unless you are one of the 144 a-320 fo's who took the 190 ca positions, you are on the bus or on the emb.
 
From when the 144 runs out (this fall) to October 2007 all of the upgrading EMB CAs will be EMB FOs. After that who knows. It will probably depend on what is happeneding with the A320 upgrade and the QOL and bases of the 190.
 
Anyone got any intel on where the June and July 190 FOs will get domiciled? The pay might be a little easier to swallow if I didn't have to commute.

Also, considering the 144 (sounds rather biblical), that should cause some quick movement in the 190 FO seniority list from both ends: upgrades and new aircraft deliveries.

Just trying to find the silver lining here....
 
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So, with all of the previous 13 pages of info, I just want to get all this right...

If you are in the next interview class, and are offered a job, one of the following will occur:

1. a. Accept EMB-190 and go into 'Shallow' pool for a few months (August?)
b. Be locked in the EMB-190 for 2 years.
c. Still upgrade within 12 - 18 months.
d. Based in JFK only.
e. Rumors of EMB pay rates being raised and EMB base in MCO by year's
end. But both are only rumors right now.

2. a. Accept A-320 and go into 'Deep' pool. (December, but maybe as soon
as August)
b. Still be locked in for 2 years
c. Upgrade within 4 years.
d. Based in JFK, FLL (within 3-4 months), or LGB (within 6 months).
e. Rumors of MCO base for the A-320 as well, but nothing slid.


Is there anything I missed? Does this all sound right?
 
BOS is a new base. There are definately A-320s there, all the captain upgrades for June will be going there. I don't really know specifically what the company has planned for E-190s there, but there are definate plans to base them there. Rumors extend to LGB for 190s as well, but so far they are just rumors (IMHO).

As far as upgrades in the 190, I don't think you'll see them happening as quickly as once predicted (story of my life). I think you will see many 320 FOs that have been enjoying QOL and schedule bid upgrade to EMB CAPT in fall '07 to try to maximize position in the event of stagnation. Naturally, all is flexible until then, depending on the market, fuel, Iran, Iraq, Chevrolet....... and fall '07 will be before the seat lock expires for new hires from this spring/summer. My understanding of the seat lock is that you can upgrade in the same airplane, but I don't think there will be nearly as many capt seats available due to the 'bus FOs.

As to pay rate increases in the 190.......why would they? They don't seem to be having any problems filling classes yet. Until they do I wouldn't expect to see any movement on that front, particularly with the recent financials. And please don't get me wrong, I'm not going to be fond of taking a 50% pay cut to fly the 190 (if invited to). But when you're down to 1 choice.....
 
Good news guys. I heard the staffing outlook has been adjusted since the earnings call and it looks like it may not be a long wait to get a BUS slot. I guess this is the only industry where things change on a day to day basis. Definately makes the day a little brighter to hear encouraging news, now if the phone would only ring with that (628) number!:D
 
Pilottodd2 said:
So, with all of the previous 13 pages of info, I just want to get all this right...

If you are in the next interview class, and are offered a job, one of the following will occur:

1. a. Accept EMB-190 and go into 'Shallow' pool for a few months (August?)
b. Be locked in the EMB-190 for 2 years.
c. Still upgrade within 12 - 18 months.
d. Based in JFK only.
e. Rumors of EMB pay rates being raised and EMB base in MCO by year's
end. But both are only rumors right now.

2. a. Accept A-320 and go into 'Deep' pool. (December, but maybe as soon
as August)
b. Still be locked in for 2 years
c. Upgrade within 4 years.
d. Based in JFK, FLL (within 3-4 months), or LGB (within 6 months).
e. Rumors of MCO base for the A-320 as well, but nothing slid.


Is there anything I missed? Does this all sound right?
Click to expand...

Pretty much on the money except for 1a and 2a. There isn't a pool for the 190. Get the call, go to class. A320 hiring should resume with classes in September and maybe as early as August.
 
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1.b and 2.b.
the two year lock was as of Oct 05, so if you are hired next month into the 190, the earliest you can bid for either EMB CA or A320 FO is Oct 07, two year lock is already counting down.

1.c. I was told the last class able to upgrade before the fence was April 1 class, ask "Auburn" about this.

1.d. 190's are supposed to be based in BOS Oct. according to company email. again ask Auburn.

2.d. FLL awards out of training as of now. LGB, longer, (perpetual reserve).

2.e. 320 MCO base rumor, Nov.~ Dec.

ps, I am not sure of actual aircraft bid lock, maybe one year. ask Auburn. oh and a pool may exist for some that choose the 320, choices will be available.
 
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Guam360 said:
1.b and 2.b.
the two year lock was as of Oct 05, so if you are hired next month into the 190, the earliest you can bid for either EMB CA or A320 FO is Oct 07, two year lock is already counting down.
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Not exactly correct. There is a 2 year fence that started I believe Oct 05 where no one can switch aircraft but there is no seat lock. Also, each pilot is aircraft locked for two years no matter when they start on an airplane.

Based on that, if you are hired next month into the 190 you will be on that aircraft for two years. You can bid for 190 CA in that time frame, but will have to wait two years to bid into the 320. 320 FOs who were on property when the 190 came aboard and didn't bid 190 CA will have to wait until the fence comes down to bid again for 190 CA if they wish.

Clear as mud?
 
Hey new guy, YOU get back into the books! I'm DONE with training!:D

Well, at least for now. I'll have to hit the computer again here in a couple of days to prep for IOE.

For those waiting on the call, good luck and try to occupy your time with things that will keep your mind off of the telephone. I know, easier said than done, but as soon as you can forget about the telephone it will ring. I promise!
 
I hate to hijack the thread, but I have an interview question. Any thoughts on how they feel about electronic logbooks? I have logbook pro and have all my flying in it. Just wondering if I should print all 330 pages or fill in my paper logbook. I will, of course, bring my paper logbooks with all my sign-offs.

Interview June 15th.

Thanks
 
We all just got an email from DB that Jetblue will probably be hiring into the A320 again starting in Aug and every month after that. I hope that helps ease some of the bad news that has come down the pipe.

Stillflyn
 
Hello All,

Keep those phones close, I hear Verna is on the loose! My friend Rick, a fellow pilot at my airline just got his call today! Verna offered him a 190 class on July 19 or he could opt for the 320 pool with an indefinite class date. He chose the 190. Good luck to everyone!
 
Got a call from Verna today! She told me I successfully made it through Phase 2 and am now basically in a pool for a class most likely in August. She said the 190 classes are full between now and August and they will not run another Airbus class until Sept. or Oct. She didn't offer a class date, but said they should be able to give plenty of notice before a class.

Good luck to everyone, the calls are coming.
 
Big Congratulations to Dave's Kid. I know that it must be nice to have some of the pressure removed.Keep us updated with any class dates or equipment type info that you choose. I hope you are not treading water for very long. Now that you are in the pool you should swim down to the poolside bar for an adult beverage of your choice.

1) smoky22
2) Snoopy Mendoza (April,26 / A320)
3) skypine69
4) LaGarbage Man (May,10 / A320)
5) Vastly Underemp
6) My Man Smith
7) CheeseheadinTX
8) PDXcheezhead
9) captain dad (Letter)
10) pilotgolfer
11) Dave's kid (Hired/Pool)
12) Propblast
13) Flyiguy
14) CalBuff
15) Kayman
16) Got2GO (May,10 / A320)
17) 2wheelz (May,10 / A320)
18) xcrjdriver

Trash Man
 
Thanks ATR-DRVR:
I am looking forward to it. Hopefully the Beer is not literally on you as I am pretty particular who I will do a body shot from. The truck is all fueled up and pointed south in the driveway. All I have to do is pull chocks in the AM and I am on my way.

See you all soon

Trash Man
 
You Apr 26 folks are alright! I knew I was going to like this place! Looking forward to meeting everyone and begin flying. Just made my last landing in the RJ forever yesterday morning; it was my last day after almost 10 years at my airline. It was real, it was fun. But not real fun...

Good luck to all!
 
Hey Snoopy, garbageman, got2go or 2wheelz...

If and when you see Verna in MCO, see if you can get any info for the rest of us. How long they are going to leave us in limbo, how large the E190 classes are going to be, etc. Any info would be appreciated.

Scott
 
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Hey guys......

Congrats to all who've been selected for class, keep the seats warm for us.

Does anyone have any info to help determine that all necessary info has been returned to JetBlue from former employers, FAA, etc? I'd hate to think that I've been sitting and waiting for a call that can't come because some piece of the puzzle is missing.
 
According to the phase II notice we're only supposed to sit tight and let them "do their jobs". Having said that, it is tough to think about sitting here waiting because of some tidbit of missing info that could be easily procured with a little personal attention.

It's been kinda quiet for a bit. Maybe the timing is right for some of us to get calls toward the end of this week.
 

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