Jetblue Loses 42.4 Mil

[WatchYourElbows]

I predict at least 5 pages on this thread, mostly from guys who are going to be absolutely ecstatic about this news. Although, I should consider that it takes longer to type with one hand working the keyboard so it may take a long time to get to 5 pages.

You guessed it!!!! Who would have know there was this much hate thrown at anyone besides United. wow

 

[Dumbluck]

u a.. h.oles I won 50 by taking the over on this thread + 7 I win dipshits

 

[FlyUnited]

Super.....that proves you may need help....good luck with that. Hated...what an amazing way to get through life (or could that be jealousy???)

 

[pipejockey]

You guessed it!!!! Who would have know there was this much hate thrown at anyone besides United. wow

Yeah, but most pilots are just about willing to sell their first born just for a job with them (LCC's)

 

[Dumbluck]

50 is 50. 2nd or 3rd post caled it, I tok it and u guys filled 7 pages of bets i got 50 bones. making money off of argueing retards. Schmucks

 

[SWA/FO]

Do you have any idea what LUV is hedging? Do you think that the hedges are in Jet A? Do you know that Jet A doesn't trade on the futures market? Do you understand the term 'futures market?'

Yes, No, Yes, Yes....whats the problem Andy?

 

[G4G5]

I was reading a copy of the WSJ this morning with my morning coffee when I noticed Dave Neelemans statement about fuel prices

Neeleman said Jetblue can expect to pay $1.98 per gallon in 2006. This is also be verified in their 2/1/06 SEC8K filing

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...23/file002.htm

This is what UAL had to say.

On Jan 27, 2006 from UAL's 8K filing
The company expects mainline fuel price for the first quarter to average $1.92 per gallon, and for the full-year to average $1.81 per gallon (including taxes). Currently the company has no hedges in place for 2006.

Average mainline fuel price for the quarter (Q405) was $2.09 per gallon (including taxes).

http://app.quotemedia.com/quotetools... D3&type=TEXT

This is the one I love
From UAL's 8K on Jan 17, 2006

United assumes a long-term crude oil price of $50 per barrel for 2006 to 2010, or an equivalent of jet fuel price of $1.48 per gallon (before hedging expenses). So
http://app.quotemedia.com/quotetools... D2%26num%3D29

I wrote this on the UAL page to drive my point home to those guys. I post it here because. Neelman and Jetblue stock are taking a direct hit this week. When Nelman has been nothing but honest and offers a realict fuel cost expectation of $1.98 for 2006

Yet Tilton and the folks over at UAL seem to think that number will be 17 cents less at $1.81 and people are jumping up and down about how great UAUA stock will be and that now is the right time for UAL to exit ch11.

I would much rather have Neelman running my airline.

 

[Andy]

Yes, No, Yes, Yes....whats the problem Andy?

Your statement that hedges never expire indicates that your answers are incorrect.

 

[freightdogfred]

Oh yes I forgot, Continental, FedEx, and UPS are hiring but I am not Mr. Military so FedEx is clearly out and I lack the 2000 PIC and 2 dozen recomendations that the other 2 would require anyway.

That's not all you lack...

A spine, a brain, and the desire to work hard and advance your career come to mind. The nerve of an DAY carpetbagger calling LCC's names. Put your kneepads on and get back under Tony Romeo's desk....

 

[pipejockey]

That's not all you lack...

A spine, a brain, and the desire to work hard and advance your career come to mind. The nerve of an DAY carpetbagger calling LCC's names. Put your kneepads on and get back under Tony Romeo's desk....

You apparently don't know me in the least. I would be the last person anyone would consider a company man. And the fact I don't kiss the asses of the company moles (certain captains ) out on the line to get ahead here proves it! This company is for 3 types of pilots...1. The old guys who wouldn't be hired anywhere else 2. Guys with marks on their records 3. people like myself just building time in order to get the heck out of here at the first possible moment.

See I admit this place is just a stepping stone. The LCC pilots defend their QOL, workrules, and compensation as if it were glorious. When it could be so much more if not for the fact that they see fit to work for half of what they could so people can pay bus fare to fly coast to coast.

 

[Mamma]

Those who are truly brave will never live in fear.

"Those who are truly stupid will never learn."

Hey dumba$$, your extensive knowledge on LCC's is impressive but I would bet you would be first in line to whatever LCC gave you an interview. Good luck in the future...you will need it.

 

[pipejockey]

No LCC will give me an interview because I refuse to apply to any. I would rather leave aviation than work for one. Why can't people differentiate between my contempt for the LCC as opposed to the people who work there. The way you all act, maybe I should have the same contempt for you as all you LCCers have for me. Don't hate.

 

[Dave Siegel]

Those who are truly brave will never live in fear.

"Those who are truly stupid will never learn."

Hey dumba$$, your extensive knowledge on LCC's is impressive but I would bet you would be first in line to whatever LCC gave you an interview. Good luck in the future...you will need it.

Hi, it's Dave again. Little Dave is online as well, trying to learn the ropes. He asks me all the time why pilot's swear so much. I tell him it's because they're low class trailer trash. Well, Dad, what will we do about that? Well, little Dave, if they act like trailer trash, we'll just have to pay them like trailer trash.

 

[pilotyip]

Airline pilots are not paid like like trailer trash, only on a pilot board would 100K/yr be viewed as a poverty wage. The rest of world feels this is a fantastic wage for working 15-17 days per month.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

Airline pilots are not paid like like trailer trash, only on a pilot board would 100K/yr be viewed as a poverty wage. The rest of world feels this is a fantastic wage for working 15-17 days per month.

I agree! The median income in the US is around $50K. I don't see any reason for a pilot to make any more than $30K. After all, there are a lot of people that would PAY to get to fly a jet. Plus these new jets are all electric, and practically fly themselves. You don't even have to fly them anymore.

Glad we're on the same page buddy!

 

[Dave Siegel]

Airline pilots are not paid like like trailer trash, only on a pilot board would 100K/yr be viewed as a poverty wage. The rest of world feels this is a fantastic wage for working 15-17 days per month.

Hi, it's Dave again. I think our priorities are misplaced when a pilot can make $100,000 per year when it's management that needs the incentive to stay with the company and turn the ship around.

The rest of the world knows that pilots are overpaid prima donnas. Where the public is wrong though is in thinking that they are sophisticated. They are nothing more than sophomoric trailer trash. Just look at their language. Part of the reason I have so brilliantly predicted the demise of Jet Blue is because their management team simply pays their pilots too much.

 

[Dave Siegel]

I agree! The median income in the US is around $50K. I don't see any reason for a pilot to make any more than $30K. After all, there are a lot of people that would PAY to get to fly a jet. Plus these new jets are all electric, and practically fly themselves. You don't even have to fly them anymore.

Glad we're on the same page buddy!

Hi Frank, it's Dave. Are we still on for golf on Saturday? When is our tee-time? Can you bring an extra former Eastern pilot? My caddie has the flu. Thanks.

 

[Falconjet]

Yeah, way to support the team Yip.

Do you ever put any grease on your wheel?

Pilots are paid too much and only need a HS diploma. We got it.

How about trying some new stchichk.

Thanks.

FJ

 

[pilotyip]

Hey DA-20 jet in life you have to stand up for your beliefs. I have seen too many successful pilots that are not college graduates. My PPC flying the P-3 around Vietnam did not have a 4-yr degree, career retiree from DAL, I could name dozens more. My grandson who is in high school is starting flight lessons, he is thinking of becoming a pilot like his father and grandfather. If he does not want to pursue the military route like his father and grandfather, I will recommend to him he not go to college, his career will get a better start than the college graduate. I stand by my convictions.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Airline pilots are not paid like like trailer trash, only on a pilot board would 100K/yr be viewed as a poverty wage. The rest of world feels this is a fantastic wage for working 15-17 days per month.

The rest of the world produces engineers that work are happy to work for $18,000/yr, doctors that are happy with $25,000 (and CEO's that are happy to only make 100 times what the janitor makes.) That's not the direction I want this profession to take.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Any JetBlue pilot making 100K a year most likely averages 20 years experience and has a colllege degree.

Look around the NY metro area where they are based. Finding someone making over 100K that has over 20 years of experience in a technical field, a degree and speaks english as a first language isn't real difficult.


Second, spare me the "only 15-17 days a month", or "only 20 hours a week" crap. Time away from base is the real factor, and most guys average 60-70 hours a week away from home.

 

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Yeah, way to support the team Yip.

Do you ever put any grease on your wheel?

Pilots are paid too much and only need a HS diploma. We got it.

How about trying some new stchichk.

Thanks.

FJ

FJ, YIP doesn't equate to team. I'm afraid that you've got the wrong impression there my friend. YIP isn't on the team. YIP is management. YIP's goal is keeping expectations as low as possible so that he can continue to receive a steady supply of workers willing to accept trash wages and work rules.

BTW, YIP, you know that a pilots work day doesn't compare to a normal workers 8-5 day, so why do you continue to claim that pilots only work 15 days? Oh wait, I've already answered that, you're trying to keep your guys happy with the perception of having a "good" job. Sorry, but living near Detroit and being on short call just to drive a jet don't make it a good job.

 

[SoCentralRain]

The rest of the world knows that pilots are overpaid prima donnas. Where the public is wrong though is in thinking that they are sophisticated. They are nothing more than sophomoric trailer trash. Just look at their language. Part of the reason I have so brilliantly predicted the demise of Jet Blue is because their management team simply pays their pilots too much.

"It is better to be silent and thought the fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt."

 

[av8tor76]

....I will recommend to him he not go to college, his career will get a better start than the college graduate. I stand by my convictions.

and then when he loses his medical or job...he can work at Mcdonald's...that's crummy advise!

 

[pilotyip]

C-150 according to the latest Air Inc figures from Kit himself. 15% of JB’s pilots do not have a college degree. From our company six pilots have interviewed at JB, three had degrees, three did not, 3 pilots were hired, one a degree two did not have a degrees. Two of the three hired had been 121 Check Airman. All of them had less than 10 years flying experience, less than 5 years in jets. Average age 35. Most of the JB pilots ddo not live in the NYC area, the ones I know live in Toledo, Yspilanti, and Cleveland. These facts do not match your statement.

 

[G100driver]

Hey DA-20 jet in life you have to stand up for your beliefs. I have seen too many successful pilots that are not college graduates. My PPC flying the P-3 around Vietnam did not have a 4-yr degree, career retiree from DAL, I could name dozens more. My grandson who is in high school is starting flight lessons, he is thinking of becoming a pilot like his father and grandfather. If he does not want to pursue the military route like his father and grandfather, I will recommend to him he not go to college, his career will get a better start than the college graduate. I stand by my convictions.

How did this thread morph into this again?

 

[pilotyip]

Calvin, I have worked both sides, yes pilot put in long days, and yes they stay up all night some times. However, the quality of time off for a line pilot beats the heck out of management time off. I am management by default, disappearing jobs, unemployment and being in my mid-50 does not leave a lot options. You take what you can get to make it to retirement.

 

[pilotyip]

It Falconjet's fault, he brought up the college degree thing, and of course I had to stand my ground, that is why the thread was hi-jacked.

 

[Falconjet]

Yes, I know

FJ, YIP doesn't equate to team. I'm afraid that you've got the wrong impression there my friend. YIP isn't on the team. YIP is management. YIP's goal is keeping expectations as low as possible so that he can continue to receive a steady supply of workers willing to accept trash wages and work rules.

BTW, YIP, you know that a pilots work day doesn't compare to a normal workers 8-5 day, so why do you continue to claim that pilots only work 15 days? Oh wait, I've already answered that, you're trying to keep your guys happy with the perception of having a "good" job. Sorry, but living near Detroit and being on short call just to drive a jet don't make it a good job.

Calvin: Yes, I know that Yip is not on the team. I have pm'd him to thank him for his service to our country and to congratulate him on the fact that he was able to make a very nice life for himself flying jets from his humble beginnings and without a college education. I really do admire that. And if I had come up through the ranks like he did I would be very proud of myself as well. It is fantastic what he has accomplished in life.

That being said, I too think that his advice and continued parroting of the 100K is a good wage yada yada yada just gets really old. That is why I have him on my ignore list. So I only read his constant drivel when somebody else quotes him.

I also don't think that his advice is necessarily relevant in today's world, but that is simply my opinion. The last thing I would do for my children is recommend that they rely soley on a HS education to make in this world, I don't care what field they are interested in. But that is just me.

He is entitled to parrot away and remind everybody how he did it, and I can continue to ignore him. Sorry to everyone else for the thread drift.

How about that Blue!

FJ

 

[freightdogfred]

C-150 according to the latest Air Inc figures from Kit himself. 15% of JB’s pilots do not have a college degree. From our company six pilots have interviewed at JB, three had degrees, three did not, 3 pilots were hired, one a degree two did not have a degrees. Two of the three hired had been 121 Check Airman. All of them had less than 10 years flying experience, less than 5 years in jets. Average age 35. Most of the JB pilots ddo not live in the NYC area, the ones I know live in Toledo, Yspilanti, and Cleveland. These facts do not match your statement.

If things are so great at the Ypsilanti sweat shop you run, (ya know, the 100K plus salaries a year, all them days off ya talked about, the beeper implanted in the anus) why would them college boys take off fer a money-loser like JetBleu??

I guess when I git my online degree at ERAU I'll be able to figger it out.