JetBlue hiring.

[ASA_Aviator]

Where's the "like" button for this...



Man, ASA, et.al, your bottom-feeding reg must have been pretty $ hitty for you to be so happy to suck blue juice in such quantities.

Have a little self respect.

I never said anything about my opinion of JetBlue or our healthcare. I only commented on that jackwagon.

Don't make assumptions.

 

[blesko]

Yes, yes. But what about our health insurance? As I recall we used to have it, and as I recall there was a very simple way to preserve it.

Now we have to make the place better in order to get it back?

Wasting 10 years going into the gutter to spend another 10 years clawing your way out?

Now THAT'S moronic!

Just a little foresight. You'll get that at DAL, UAL, AA. You will not get it at jetblew. Guaranteed nobody learned any lessons from the last 10 years.

If you want to spend the next 10 years in labor limbo while this pilot group moderates it's way to mediocrity, then by all means, come join in the FUN.

Not to be a d*bag man, but I'm lucky enough that my wife works for a Fortune 200 employer, earns more than a 10 year CA (as many in her organization do) here yet, overall their health benefits are worse than ours. Me, my wife and kids are all on our plan. It's all relative perspective so nobody is entitled to anything, everything comes at a price. We're not DL, UA and AA, clearly defined by profit margin and excess capital so yeah, you're statement is correct. I'm not taking sides, but I think maybe sort of the 30,000 foot snap shot of where the chips lie may work. After 8 1/2 years and 6000 hours at a previous employer, is life perfect no, could it be better, yeah, but overall, it is a vast improvement. Do I think there's a place for ALPA, yeah. But, do we torch the place, I think not. Alaska does it very well......and the first round is on me.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Not to be a d*bag man, but I'm lucky enough that my wife works for a Fortune 200 employer, earns more than a 10 year CA (as many in her organization do) here yet, overall their health benefits are worse than ours. Me, my wife and kids are all on our plan. It's all relative perspective so nobody is entitled to anything, everything comes at a price. We're not DL, UA and AA, clearly defined by profit margin and excess capital so yeah, you're statement is correct. I'm not taking sides, but I think maybe sort of the 30,000 foot snap shot of where the chips lie may work. After 8 1/2 years and 6000 hours at a previous employer, is life perfect no, could it be better, yeah, but overall, it is a vast improvement. Do I think there's a place for ALPA, yeah. But, do we torch the place, I think not. Alaska does it very well......and the first round is on me.

My wife is a freaking MD and her health insurance is worse than ours... Go figure.

 

[CrownandCoke]

so the window is closed...any word on how long it'll take to hear if I get an interview?

 

[Flyby1206]

so the window is closed...any word on how long it'll take to hear if I get an interview?

The window is closed? Still looks active from this:

https://careers.peopleclick.com/car...=getJobDetail&jobPostId=2632&localeCode=en-us

 

[BeachBummer]

so the window is closed...any word on how long it'll take to hear if I get an interview?

Nope, it's pretty random. Could be 6 days could be 6 months, could be you have to reapply in the next window.

Did you get any face time at women in aviation? Obap? Internal recs? Do you know the Dave? Are you flying? Current? Got a blue dart? How old are you? Where do you live?

Really, no one knows, if or when you'll get a call for an interview. Have a crown and coke relax and wait and see.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Aww, skip it.

 

[Splert]

So we can compare our health care to a Fortune 200 company that is not in the airline business but we can't compare to DAL who is in the airline business because DAL is nothing like Jetblue?

Brilliant.

Jetblue pilots are the biggest suckers ever. We self sabotage ourselves before we even start to negotiate with the company. We can certainly compare our costs to DAL or SWA or Alaska. Our health care is just one slice of the total cost to Jetblue of the Jetblue pilot.

 

[blesko]

So we can compare our health care to a Fortune 200 company that is not in the airline business but we can't compare to DAL who is in the airline business because DAL is nothing like Jetblue?

Brilliant.

Jetblue pilots are the biggest suckers ever. We self sabotage ourselves before we even start to negotiate with the company. We can certainly compare our costs to DAL or SWA or Alaska. Our health care is just one slice of the total cost to Jetblue of the Jetblue pilot.

Not comparing at all, just perspective. Her company nearly triples our revenue, and profit margins. Last time I checked, healthcare was a privilege, not a right. JB does not have DAL's or SWA revenue or profit margin. Can't have champagne ideas on a beer budget. What are you willing to negotiate for better health care? Let the CNC know when the MEC forms and starts the JNC process.

 

[Splert]

"What are you willing to negotiate for better health care?"

You are already negotiating against yourself.

Brillant!

The employee cost of the Orange Plan far exceeds the employee cost of the DPMP or Alaska PPO.

We had a DPMP type up until 2012 and the company blamed ObamaCare, then didn't, then did again. The reason they dropped the plan is simple - greed. They wanted employees to fund the airline's inefficient operation. We became the shock absorber. The easy target.

Our healthcare is no where close to the choices our peers have. These are both pilot groups smaller and larger than Jetblue. Yet we have a select few that continue to apologize for Jetblue's ELT greed with cute slogans about Beer and Mega Majors and Niche Majors and Major Majors.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

No direct withdrawl for ALPA dues?
No sweat.
No more SE taxi.
No more, "directs".
No more, " a pax left his phone in the boarding area".
No more... Etc.
Fill in the blanks.
Dump on me and expect "above and beyond?".

 

[BeachBummer]

"What are we willing to negotiate for better healthcare"?

Fr8dog nailed it

No direct withdrawl for ALPA dues?
No sweat.
No more SE taxi.
No more, "directs".
No more, " a pax left his phone in the boarding area".
No more... Etc.
Fill in the blanks.
Dump on me and expect "above and beyond?".

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

X1000

 

[B6Driver]

"No more, " a pax left his phone in the boarding area".

How does not doing a nice gesture for a customer help our cause?
There is pressure and then there is foolishness. I do what I do because I wish to, not for a company. I try and treat people like I would like to be treated if roles were reversed.

 

[Splert]

It's sucks to stoop to this level but at this time unfortunately it is warranted.

The company tracks Customer NPS and as long as it remains industry leading they can turn up the heat (stall) longer becuase the pilot group is engaged.

This company manages the numbers and the numbers need to be affected before they act. They are reactive not active managers and use your/our personal commitment to-do-the-right-thing against you/us.

Now is the time to do just your job.

 

[B6Driver]

Well, I guess in this instance I'm not a team player.
Our true concern and struggles are with a management team that would like to operate in a vacuum and seems to disregard the realities of the changing industry around us.

 

[Splert]

This is why ELT has the advantage.

ELT would fire the unaligned.

NOT SUGGESTING YOU SHOULD BE FIRED. Instead I'm pointing our the schematic advantage that Management has over labor.

They are organized around the dollars, bonuses, promotion and power. Pilots are aligned around their OWN personal values and work ethic.

We will lose every single time.

 

[XJohXJ]

Not comparing at all, just perspective. Her company nearly triples our revenue, and profit margins. Last time I checked, healthcare was a privilege, not a right. JB does not have DAL's or SWA revenue or profit margin. Can't have champagne ideas on a beer budget. What are you willing to negotiate for better health care? Let the CNC know when the MEC forms and starts the JNC process.

Look, in most of the civilized world, healthcare is a basic human right, and it is provided for through national coverage. I'm going to keep my comments short, because posts like yours above do so much damage to your fellow pilots' well being that it makes me see red.

You are happy with our evil sh#t sucking health care because between your wife and you, you probably have healthy income and can afford to pay through your nose should you or any of your family develop a pesky fever that wont go away.

Try caring for a kid with autism, and then tell me how happy you are with the evil stinking sh#t our company calls "health care".

 

[XJohXJ]

Oh, and FWIW, from all I have heard, Delta specifically does cover autism care. Our company of "values" bends over backwards to make sure not so much as a penny goes towards "caring" (one of our core values!) for special needs children.

Evil.

 

[Splert]

Oh, and FWIW, from all I have heard, Delta specifically does cover autism care. Our company of "values" bends over backwards to make sure not so much as a penny goes towards "caring" (one of our core values!) for special needs children.

Evil.

We have to have the correct margins to take care of kids.

 

[B6Driver]

This is why ELT has the advantage.

ELT would fire the unaligned.

NOT SUGGESTING YOU SHOULD BE FIRED. Instead I'm pointing our the schematic advantage that Management has over labor.

They are organized around the dollars, bonuses, promotion and power. Pilots are aligned around their OWN personal values and work ethic.

We will lose every single time.

Doing anything for the win cheapens the victory. I don't fear any company or their wrath if I step out of their so called line. We barely started the process of improving things around here, be patient. There is time for correction if a snag comes about.

 

[B6Driver]

Look, in most of the civilized world, healthcare is a basic human right, and it is provided for through national coverage. I'm going to keep my comments short, because posts like yours above do so much damage to your fellow pilots' well being that it makes me see red.

You are happy with our evil sh#t sucking health care because between your wife and you, you probably have healthy income and can afford to pay through your nose should you or any of your family develop a pesky fever that wont go away.

Try caring for a kid with autism, and then tell me how happy you are with the evil stinking sh#t our company calls "health care".

Your cost and quality assumptions of healthcare around the civilized world are inaccurate or flat out wrong. Talk to your fellow pilots from some of those places and you will hear a different tale and the taxes they would pay are much higher then here by a large percentage. Sounds great though.

 

[Smarta$$]

Your cost and quality assumptions of healthcare around the civilized world are inaccurate or flat out wrong. Talk to your fellow pilots from some of those places and you will hear a different tale and the taxes they would pay are much higher then here by a large percentage. Sounds great though.

Talking to people from other countries, I mostly get positive feedback about their national healthcare. Not perfect, but good, and ours is far from perfect anyway.

As for costs, the increase in taxes is far less than what you currently pay for your employer health plans.

 

[Splert]

My Son's Orthopedic Surgeon is Canadian.

We live in the USA.

I don't want Maxine Waters in charge of my health care.

Our insurance is expensive for one reason and one reason alone.

Access.

Other Countries are less expensive because they have less access.

 

[Smarta$$]

My Son's Orthopedic Surgeon is Canadian.

We live in the USA.

I don't want Maxine Waters in charge of my health care.

Our insurance is expensive for one reason and one reason alone.

Access.

Other Countries are less expensive because they have less access.

1. Our insurance is expensive for more reasons than just access.

2. Access isn't as much of a problem in most other countries as it is in Canada.

3. Many countries, including England have public systems, and still allow those that want a private system to participate in a private system if YOU chose.

4. YOU want to pay more for access, don't force me to do the same if I don't want to.

 

[XJohXJ]

Corporate America has been winning the war against non-unionized working class America for decades now. They do not belong anywhere near the picture of what we deserve here. We voted in a union entirely to get better than the garbage served at anti-union anti-labor corporate America. We need only look at our healthy unionized airline brothers to see what we deserve - Delta, Southwest, Spirit. (AA ain't healthy yet..they've just been through the thoroughly anti-union pro-corporate-America bankruptcy mill).

If you hate yourself and don't believe we deserve much better than we have (the whole reason we strongly voted to unionize), please stay well clear of the process.

 

[Splert]

1. Our insurance is expensive for more reasons than just access.

2. Access isn't as much of a problem in most other countries as it is in Canada.

3. Many countries, including England have public systems, and still allow those that want a private system to participate in a private system if YOU chose.

4. YOU want to pay more for access, don't force me to do the same if I don't want to.

Access is infrastructure. Hospitals, labs, high tech diagnostic facilities, specialists, urgent care facilities, doctors etc.

If you want health care to cost less then we have to close or take out infrastructure locally and transition in regional specialist facilities.

Kaiser is has been doing this for years. My Aunt has Kaiser and she has Breast Cancer and twice a month she drives to the local Kaiser office to board a bus and then rides 50 miles to the Regional Chemotherapy Facility for Kaiser.

All the other tweaks that other speak about are extremely small cost savings. In America we have under utilized infrastructure and that overhead is something we all pay for and it is extremely expensive to have it sitting around unused Saturdays and Sundays and between 18:00 and 07:00 every day every year and under utilized all other time of that day.

Regional Health care systems are managed to near 100% utilization.

 

[likeitis]

Your cost and quality assumptions of healthcare around the civilized world are inaccurate or flat out wrong. Talk to your fellow pilots from some of those places and you will hear a different tale and the taxes they would pay are much higher then here by a large percentage. Sounds great though.

I fly with people from other countries everyday. You are flat out wrong. Just propaganda from the health insurance and drug companies. I ask for their comments about their homeland's healthcare system and I haven't had a single person say they would want something different than their socialized medicine. They think we are completely insane to live under our system. England had a tribute to their health care system in the fricken opening ceremony of the last summer Olympics. Doesn't sound like they are too upset with their system.

 

[B6Driver]

I guess we fly with different people.
Healthcare is a mess and expensive, that we can agree on.

 

[Splert]

Eom..

 

[johnsonrod]

I fly with people from other countries everyday. You are flat out wrong. Just propaganda from the health insurance and drug companies. I ask for their comments about their homeland's healthcare system and I haven't had a single person say they would want something different than their socialized medicine. They think we are completely insane to live under our system. England had a tribute to their health care system in the fricken opening ceremony of the last summer Olympics. Doesn't sound like they are too upset with their system.

I have British relatives and they don't complain because they don't know any better. They wait in long lines and they are stoic about it (remember the beaches at Dunkirk?). They would complain more if they experienced our current high-quality healthcare system and then returned to the UK. Ever heard of healthcare rationing? Why does it take months to get on the list for types of surgery in the UK? I heard it takes 3 years to get cataracts removed from your eyes in the UK. The care once provided might be fine, but it takes A LOT longer to get that care - and some sick people die in the interim.

So tell me what will result from the following in terms of quality of care in the US:

Adding 20-30 million people to a version of Medicaid and offering them unlimited care while the number of hospital beds per capita is declining significantly as community hospitals close down due to reimbursement issues and mergers. Add 20 million people and yet reduce the number of beds per capita... How will that impact the quality of care in the US for the average citizen?

How has the US Government done running the VA healthcare system? How many proud veterans have died due to fraud and abuse at the VA?