JetBlue hiring.

[Splert]

This is why ELT has the advantage.

ELT would fire the unaligned.

NOT SUGGESTING YOU SHOULD BE FIRED. Instead I'm pointing our the schematic advantage that Management has over labor.

They are organized around the dollars, bonuses, promotion and power. Pilots are aligned around their OWN personal values and work ethic.

We will lose every single time.

 

[XJohXJ]

Not comparing at all, just perspective. Her company nearly triples our revenue, and profit margins. Last time I checked, healthcare was a privilege, not a right. JB does not have DAL's or SWA revenue or profit margin. Can't have champagne ideas on a beer budget. What are you willing to negotiate for better health care? Let the CNC know when the MEC forms and starts the JNC process.

Look, in most of the civilized world, healthcare is a basic human right, and it is provided for through national coverage. I'm going to keep my comments short, because posts like yours above do so much damage to your fellow pilots' well being that it makes me see red.

You are happy with our evil sh#t sucking health care because between your wife and you, you probably have healthy income and can afford to pay through your nose should you or any of your family develop a pesky fever that wont go away.

Try caring for a kid with autism, and then tell me how happy you are with the evil stinking sh#t our company calls "health care".

 

[XJohXJ]

Oh, and FWIW, from all I have heard, Delta specifically does cover autism care. Our company of "values" bends over backwards to make sure not so much as a penny goes towards "caring" (one of our core values!) for special needs children.

Evil.

 

[Splert]

Oh, and FWIW, from all I have heard, Delta specifically does cover autism care. Our company of "values" bends over backwards to make sure not so much as a penny goes towards "caring" (one of our core values!) for special needs children.

Evil.

We have to have the correct margins to take care of kids.

 

[B6Driver]

This is why ELT has the advantage.

ELT would fire the unaligned.

NOT SUGGESTING YOU SHOULD BE FIRED. Instead I'm pointing our the schematic advantage that Management has over labor.

They are organized around the dollars, bonuses, promotion and power. Pilots are aligned around their OWN personal values and work ethic.

We will lose every single time.

Doing anything for the win cheapens the victory. I don't fear any company or their wrath if I step out of their so called line. We barely started the process of improving things around here, be patient. There is time for correction if a snag comes about.

 

[B6Driver]

Look, in most of the civilized world, healthcare is a basic human right, and it is provided for through national coverage. I'm going to keep my comments short, because posts like yours above do so much damage to your fellow pilots' well being that it makes me see red.

You are happy with our evil sh#t sucking health care because between your wife and you, you probably have healthy income and can afford to pay through your nose should you or any of your family develop a pesky fever that wont go away.

Try caring for a kid with autism, and then tell me how happy you are with the evil stinking sh#t our company calls "health care".

Your cost and quality assumptions of healthcare around the civilized world are inaccurate or flat out wrong. Talk to your fellow pilots from some of those places and you will hear a different tale and the taxes they would pay are much higher then here by a large percentage. Sounds great though.

 

[Smarta$$]

Your cost and quality assumptions of healthcare around the civilized world are inaccurate or flat out wrong. Talk to your fellow pilots from some of those places and you will hear a different tale and the taxes they would pay are much higher then here by a large percentage. Sounds great though.

Talking to people from other countries, I mostly get positive feedback about their national healthcare. Not perfect, but good, and ours is far from perfect anyway.

As for costs, the increase in taxes is far less than what you currently pay for your employer health plans.

 

[Splert]

My Son's Orthopedic Surgeon is Canadian.

We live in the USA.

I don't want Maxine Waters in charge of my health care.

Our insurance is expensive for one reason and one reason alone.

Access.

Other Countries are less expensive because they have less access.

 

[Smarta$$]

My Son's Orthopedic Surgeon is Canadian.

We live in the USA.

I don't want Maxine Waters in charge of my health care.

Our insurance is expensive for one reason and one reason alone.

Access.

Other Countries are less expensive because they have less access.

1. Our insurance is expensive for more reasons than just access.

2. Access isn't as much of a problem in most other countries as it is in Canada.

3. Many countries, including England have public systems, and still allow those that want a private system to participate in a private system if YOU chose.

4. YOU want to pay more for access, don't force me to do the same if I don't want to.

 

[XJohXJ]

Corporate America has been winning the war against non-unionized working class America for decades now. They do not belong anywhere near the picture of what we deserve here. We voted in a union entirely to get better than the garbage served at anti-union anti-labor corporate America. We need only look at our healthy unionized airline brothers to see what we deserve - Delta, Southwest, Spirit. (AA ain't healthy yet..they've just been through the thoroughly anti-union pro-corporate-America bankruptcy mill).

If you hate yourself and don't believe we deserve much better than we have (the whole reason we strongly voted to unionize), please stay well clear of the process.

 

[Splert]

1. Our insurance is expensive for more reasons than just access.

2. Access isn't as much of a problem in most other countries as it is in Canada.

3. Many countries, including England have public systems, and still allow those that want a private system to participate in a private system if YOU chose.

4. YOU want to pay more for access, don't force me to do the same if I don't want to.

Access is infrastructure. Hospitals, labs, high tech diagnostic facilities, specialists, urgent care facilities, doctors etc.

If you want health care to cost less then we have to close or take out infrastructure locally and transition in regional specialist facilities.

Kaiser is has been doing this for years. My Aunt has Kaiser and she has Breast Cancer and twice a month she drives to the local Kaiser office to board a bus and then rides 50 miles to the Regional Chemotherapy Facility for Kaiser.

All the other tweaks that other speak about are extremely small cost savings. In America we have under utilized infrastructure and that overhead is something we all pay for and it is extremely expensive to have it sitting around unused Saturdays and Sundays and between 18:00 and 07:00 every day every year and under utilized all other time of that day.

Regional Health care systems are managed to near 100% utilization.

 

[likeitis]

Your cost and quality assumptions of healthcare around the civilized world are inaccurate or flat out wrong. Talk to your fellow pilots from some of those places and you will hear a different tale and the taxes they would pay are much higher then here by a large percentage. Sounds great though.

I fly with people from other countries everyday. You are flat out wrong. Just propaganda from the health insurance and drug companies. I ask for their comments about their homeland's healthcare system and I haven't had a single person say they would want something different than their socialized medicine. They think we are completely insane to live under our system. England had a tribute to their health care system in the fricken opening ceremony of the last summer Olympics. Doesn't sound like they are too upset with their system.

 

[B6Driver]

I guess we fly with different people.
Healthcare is a mess and expensive, that we can agree on.

 

[Splert]

Eom..

 

[johnsonrod]

I fly with people from other countries everyday. You are flat out wrong. Just propaganda from the health insurance and drug companies. I ask for their comments about their homeland's healthcare system and I haven't had a single person say they would want something different than their socialized medicine. They think we are completely insane to live under our system. England had a tribute to their health care system in the fricken opening ceremony of the last summer Olympics. Doesn't sound like they are too upset with their system.

I have British relatives and they don't complain because they don't know any better. They wait in long lines and they are stoic about it (remember the beaches at Dunkirk?). They would complain more if they experienced our current high-quality healthcare system and then returned to the UK. Ever heard of healthcare rationing? Why does it take months to get on the list for types of surgery in the UK? I heard it takes 3 years to get cataracts removed from your eyes in the UK. The care once provided might be fine, but it takes A LOT longer to get that care - and some sick people die in the interim.

So tell me what will result from the following in terms of quality of care in the US:

Adding 20-30 million people to a version of Medicaid and offering them unlimited care while the number of hospital beds per capita is declining significantly as community hospitals close down due to reimbursement issues and mergers. Add 20 million people and yet reduce the number of beds per capita... How will that impact the quality of care in the US for the average citizen?

How has the US Government done running the VA healthcare system? How many proud veterans have died due to fraud and abuse at the VA?