JetBlue hiring.

[linepilot]

To all with problems in their past be it training, or arrests, or especially strange behavior...

...jetblew needs you. They figure, even if they can't keep you out of jail, they can keep you from Delta and American.

Plus, with all the gratitude you'll show for actually being given the chance to fly at a "major" you'll be easily transmorgafied into a silly smurf with blue rubber gloves.

 

[B6Driver]

Linepilot is a perfect example of this. Thanks for sharing your past.

 

[Splert]

.... Thanks for sharing your past.

Speaking of the past, what year pin did you get?

 

[Baronman]

Speaking of the past, what year pin did you get?

Speaking of pins, I see plenty of people with 10 years pins. Do they actually have 10 years of flying while ALPA or has 10 years gone by since they flew at an ALPA carrier?

 

[B6Driver]

25 years when I send in my information.

 

[linepilot]

Linepilot is a perfect example of this. Thanks for sharing your past.

You know as well as I do that there was a time when jetblew only hired military time, A320 experience, and furloughed majors. They used the 320 guys to help train the military guys and some of the idiots they had running the simulators.

Back then they had a much bigger pack of lies to sell you on but it was a buyers market for airlines so their standards were much higher. It's a buyers market no more and the standards at this place will be "colored" more and more with corporate speak.

Just watch and learn. Just like you learned the jetblew health care lesson.

 

[B6Driver]

Every airline will face these challenges in the coming years with the thinning of the heard of available candidates for this job. Some will just face it sooner and I believe we will be one of them due to the past choices made by our Management team.

 

[dc9]

25 years when I send in my information.

Why haven't you done that already? You can't nominate any candidates if you are not a member in good standing.

 

[dc9]

I just had a new guy on the jumpseat doing his observation rides. He came straight to the Airbus from Cape Air. He's never flown anything larger than a 402. These are our current new-hires.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I just had a new guy on the jumpseat doing his observation rides. He came straight to the Airbus from Cape Air. He's never flown anything larger than a 402. These are our current new-hires.

Cape Air gateway guys have been part of the new hires for a long time. We have plenty of qualified applicants.

You guys act like flying an Airbus is like flying the Space Shuttle or something...

 

[B6Driver]

Its actually considerably far more difficult than doing something for sure. Ha, ha.:nuts:

 

[dc9]

Cape Air gateway guys have been part of the new hires for a long time. We have plenty of qualified applicants.

You guys act like flying an Airbus is like flying the Space Shuttle or something...

Actually, of all the jets I've flown, the Airbus is by far the easiest. I was just under the impression that the Cape Air guys went to Express Jet first to get some jet time. I guess I'm just old school. I flew pistons for about 2500 hours before I had enough time to get hired to fly turbo props and then had about 7000 hours before I could move on to a major airline to fly jets. Times have really changed. Now hardly anyone has to pay their dues flying turbo props and being a flight engineer. A very lucky new generation of pilots right now.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Actually, of all the jets I've flown, the Airbus is by far the easiest. I was just under the impression that the Cape Air guys went to Express Jet first to get some jet time. I guess I'm just old school. I flew pistons for about 2500 hours before I had enough time to get hired to fly turbo props and then had about 7000 hours before I could move on to a major airline to fly jets. Times have really changed. Now hardly anyone has to pay their dues flying turbo props and being a flight engineer. A very lucky new generation of pilots right now.

Yeah. Most regionals just don't have turboprops anymore. There really no difference (in terms of safety and ability required) in going from Cape Air to ExpressJet to fly CRJs and in going to JetBlue to Airbii. A jet is a jet.

 

[Baronman]

Actually, of all the jets I've flown, the Airbus is by far the easiest. I was just under the impression that the Cape Air guys went to Express Jet first to get some jet time. I guess I'm just old school. I flew pistons for about 2500 hours before I had enough time to get hired to fly turbo props and then had about 7000 hours before I could move on to a major airline to fly jets. Times have really changed. Now hardly anyone has to pay their dues flying turbo props and being a flight engineer. A very lucky new generation of pilots right now.

Yeah those RJ guys have it easy!

Have you had a look at how those companies have been run into the ground during the past 5 years?

Atrocious scheduling, atrocious pairings, maintenance that while is legal leaves plenty to be desired.

Fly for a United Commuter? Guess who gets the full brunt of every delay program while mainline uses those slots. I'm not disagreeing with the operational decision but realize that those guys look at 90 min delays every afternoon.

The guys I know, the ones who were my CA's at a regional all looked back at the turboprop days as being great in comparison.

7-10 years at a regional nowadays is enough to cut your teeth and get crapped on more than enough.

 

[crash312]

Yeah. Most regionals just don't have turboprops anymore. There really no difference (in terms of safety and ability required) in going from Cape Air to ExpressJet to fly CRJs and in going to JetBlue to Airbii. A jet is a jet.

Except for the number of people you can kill at once.

Regionals and their training departments are set up to train and weed out inexperienced pilots, they have been doing it for their entire existence. At my first regional 15 of 30 guys made it past IOE. You can guess which airline that was....but it worked.

Major airlines (and their training depts) assume the guy can operate in a fast paced, crew environment while managing a complex piece of equipment. They don't train for or test for a lot of things most of us take for granted. You can catch yourself up or learn as you go on one or two things, but not everything at once.

 

[aewanabe]

Cape Air gateway guys have been part of the new hires for a long time. We have plenty of qualified applicants.

You guys act like flying an Airbus is like flying the Space Shuttle or something...

Honestly, nothing against the Cape guys but I'd much rather them start in the 190. It's at least a very conventional jet, whereas the Airbus is a bit weird till you get the hang of it. I would think that would be worse with 0 prior jet time, not to mention the increased complexity of the operation (more Class 2 to more places, etc).

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Honestly, nothing against the Cape guys but I'd much rather them start in the 190. It's at least a very conventional jet, whereas the Airbus is a bit weird till you get the hang of it. I would think that would be worse with 0 prior jet time, not to mention the increased complexity of the operation (more Class 2 to more places, etc).

Well, the training program for the Bus certainly isn't as easy for new hires to grasp. We hire plenty of guys with only turboprop time and no automation/FMS experience. I throw those guys in the same category as Cape Air. It can be quite a hurdle.

 

[dc9]

Honestly, nothing against the Cape guys but I'd much rather them start in the 190. It's at least a very conventional jet, whereas the Airbus is a bit weird till you get the hang of it. I would think that would be worse with 0 prior jet time, not to mention the increased complexity of the operation (more Class 2 to more places, etc).

Since we have no more 190 deliveries, the company doesn't even have a choice about where the new-hires go. Almost all new hires are going to the Airbus now.

 

[Blue Dude]

There will be plenty of back filled E190 vacancies as current Embraer pilots go to the Bus. There aren't too many pilots who prefer the E190 unless it's for the schedule or base seniority, so it will remain a revolving door.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Well, the training program for the Bus certainly isn't as easy for new hires to grasp. We hire plenty of guys with only turboprop time and no automation/FMS experience. I throw those guys in the same category as Cape Air. It can be quite a hurdle.

Turboprop time and no automation/FMS?

Which airline(s) is that? Wiggins?

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