Jetblue hiring... how and why?

[donvag]

My advise is this. If you are a captain at a regional with over 1000pic. It's better to wait it out at jetblue than at a regional for. a phone call from a legacy. If you have a family, jetblue benefits are insulting when compared to our peers at other airlines.
You get to fly and do class II Navigation. Get time in an airplane over 100k pounds.
While jetblue has aircraft orders, those can always be deferred. At other airlines pilots are getting older. That is inevitable.

 

[TSA/TWA/AA/TSA]

My advise is this. If you are a captain at a regional with over 1000pic. It's better to wait it out at jetblue than at a regional for. a phone call from a legacy. If you have a family, jetblue benefits are insulting when compared to our peers at other airlines.
You get to fly and do class II Navigation. Get time in an airplane over 100k pounds.
While jetblue has aircraft orders, those can always be deferred. At other airlines pilots are getting older. That is inevitable.

Thought that before with age 60, now they will just raise the age to 70. So maybe you shouldn't count on that either.

 

[Smarta$$]

Thought that before with ag 60, now they will just raise the age to 70. So maybe you shouldn't count on that either.

Or recession, or capacity discipline, or failing business model, or unable to compete, or.....

 

[kommutrdog]

If Delta and/or American wants to get rid of that pesky thorn-in-their-side blue outfit in NY and BOS they don't have to buy JB or even go up against them in a route-structure battle: Just give preferential interviews/hiring to JB pilots at a rate which the training dept. can't match. Then, JB starts parking airplanes...and that will be that.

 

[Smarta$$]

If Delta and/or American wants to get rid of that pesky thorn-in-their-side blue outfit in NY and BOS they don't have to buy JB or even go up against them in a route-structure battle: Just give preferential interviews/hiring to JB pilots at a rate which the training dept. can't match. Then, JB starts parking airplanes...and that will be that.

You are theoretically correct. However, your theory depends heavily on one very important assumption. An assumption that I have observed to be largely false so far at least.

 

[kommutrdog]

You are theoretically correct. However, your theory depends heavily on one very important assumption. An assumption that I have observed to be largely false so far at least.

What assumption would that be, I'm curious?

 

[Smarta$$]

What assumption would that be, I'm curious?

I think you have a good idea, it I think dl Aa and dual will favor blue pilots. I also think it will work to some degree. However, I have NEVER flown with any captain here that has his resume out. Some furlough recalls yes, but no new applicants. The fo's I talked to are mixed, some applying and many not. So there is probably only 25% of the JetBlue pilots actively pursuing other companies. Can change though.

 

[kommutrdog]

I think you have a good idea, it I think dl Aa and dual will favor blue pilots. I also think it will work to some degree. However, I have NEVER flown with any captain here that has his resume out. Some furlough recalls yes, but no new applicants. The fo's I talked to are mixed, some applying and many not. So there is probably only 25% of the JetBlue pilots actively pursuing other companies. Can change though.

If we start falling further and further behind (most likely) that might change.

How many LIFT awards does it take to pay a mortgage?

 

[Smarta$$]

More than I have...

 

[pilot772]

I've flown with about 7-10 Airbus captains that have Applications out to Delta, United, and or FedEx all under 45 years old. Now would they actually leave that is the question but they all have taken the time to fill out the applications fully and update them.

 

[CapnVegetto]

I can say that my experience has been different from Smarta$$. Most captains I fly with are staying, unless they are junior and young.

However, I have yet to meet a copilot that hasn't got apps out there. The universal response as to why doesn't even include pay, benefits, etc. It's always the same thing. "In the next 10 years I'm going to move up about 100 numbers." No movement. While at every legacy, you'll move up 100 numbers in a few months.

The math says go if you are in the right seat, it even says go if you are a young enough and junior enough captain. I think most guys realize this, and once the hiring starts bigtime, it's going to get real ugly.

 

[kommutrdog]

I've flown with about 7-10 Airbus captains that have Applications out to Delta, United, and or FedEx all under 45 years old. Now would they actually leave that is the question but they all have taken the time to fill out the applications fully and update them.

But, but, but...will they get LIFT awards at those places? I think that should be a determining factor. How do you "place a value" on a LIFT? You can't. The emotional/psychological benefits are simply immeasurable.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I can say that my experience has been different from Smarta$$. Most captains I fly with are staying, unless they are junior and young.

However, I have yet to meet a copilot that hasn't got apps out there. The universal response as to why doesn't even include pay, benefits, etc. It's always the same thing. "In the next 10 years I'm going to move up about 100 numbers." No movement. While at every legacy, you'll move up 100 numbers in a few months.

The math says go if you are in the right seat, it even says go if you are a young enough and junior enough captain. I think most guys realize this, and once the hiring starts bigtime, it's going to get real ugly.

Which is exactly why I'm planning to stay. What the seniority calculator doesn't take into account is the attrition to other carriers. I'm hoping lots of people are pissed off and leave. I think everyone senior to me should go to Delta.

 

[Splert]

ASA_Aviator AKA Hoping2BKing$hitofTurdIsland.

 

[Flyby1206]

Which is exactly why I'm planning to stay. What the seniority calculator doesn't take into account is the attrition to other carriers. I'm hoping lots of people are pissed off and leave. I think everyone senior to me should go to Delta.

So if everyone else ran out of a burning house would you stick around since you'd have the whole place to yourself?