Jetblue hiring... how and why?

[Splert]

90/65 was developed by the PCRB.

Company wanted seat pay.

5 airbus and 2 190 pilots. PvC at the time was 100% airbus. The pilot group st that time was 80-90% bus.

Your entire point though is off the mark. If you were hired after 2007 3A does not apply to you and has nothing to do with 190 v 320.

Drop it.

 

[Smarta$$]

That's different than what splert said above. So is he wrong?

 

[Splert]

Did I say everyone was happy. No. I said the pilots on the Committe who developed the metric were nearly all airbus pilots. Pcrb znd pvc.

 

[Smarta$$]

Did I say everyone was happy. No. I said the pilots on the Committe who developed the metric were nearly all airbus pilots. Pcrb znd pvc.

Ok, so the pilots (A320 pilots in your words) on the committee developed the 90% metric, then asked the company to implement that 90% metric?

Is that correct?

 

[Splert]

Read the Pcrb report It started the ball rolling in the direction of 90/66. The company at that time wanted seat and was pushing it hard. Then JBPA and lots of people quitting etc.

Btw the metric is the industry's.

Compare the rates in 2004 to 2007 and the make up of the fleet.

 

[Smarta$$]

Read the Pcrb report It started the ball rolling in the direction of 90/66. The company at that time wanted seat and was pushing it hard. Then JBPA and lots of people quitting etc.

Btw the metric is the industry's.

Compare the rates in 2004 to 2007 and the make up of the fleet.

I have read the PCRB, even flown with one of the guys who worked on creating it. Was good information.

So, after the committee developed the 90% metric and asked the company to implement it, did the company implement at least that pay portion of it? Did the company implement the 90% pay metric?

 

[Splert]

Do the math. You have a PEA.

Cut to the chase! What is your next theory ? It was The CBC idea and Dave was a 190 guy?

 

[Smarta$$]

Do the math. You have a PEA.

Cut to the chase! What is your next theory ? It was The CBC idea and Dave was a 190 guy?

Well, I was completely out of this 3A debate until you dug up a many months old post of mine to call me out and attack me yesterday.

So here is what you have told me.

1. A committee of A320 pilots (your words) proposed that the E90 pay be raised to 90% of the A320 pay.

2. The company eventually implemented those recommendations and changed E90 pay to 90% or A320 pay based on the A320 pilots (your words) recommendations and the needs of the company.

3. After the company implemented the 90% pay scheme for E90 pilots that the A320 pilots (your words) recommended, a group of A320 pilots (eventually around a 1000 of them) began the process that eventually led to an arbitrator ruling on 3A (BUT DEFINITELY NOT A LAWSUIT, FOR GODS SAKE DON'T SAY LAWSUIT).

4. Of the 1000 or so pilots in 3A, I have to assume that some or all of the members of the committee that recommended jetBlue institute the 90% pay scheme are also signed onto 3A.

5. So, the A320 pilots (your words) asked for E90 pay to be raised to 90% of airbus pay, and then started a process that led to the 3A arbitration (GOOD GOD, IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT A LAW SUIT) when the company actually followed their recommendation?

6. I am ready for you to tell me where I got your facts mixed up now.

 

[Splert]

PSIA is 90/66 that is what the pilot committee found.

3A was discovered by a completely different group of pilots.

Seems like you are trying to link the two to the story you are telling yourself. If you are the logical extension to your delusion is to blame UAL, AA, NWA, DAL group as they had 90/66 before JetBlue.

 

[Smarta$$]

PSIA is 90/66 that is what the pilot committee found.

3A was discovered by a completely different group of pilots.

Seems like you are trying to link the two to the story you are telling yourself. If you are the logical extension to your delusion is to blame UAL, AA, NWA, DAL group as they had 90/66 before JetBlue.

I really don't even care, you just dug up an old post to attack me with.

A different group huh. Well then, that particular group didn't want there to be a 90% difference between the 2 aircraft, like the rest of the industry, since there is no mathematical way to simultaneously close a pre-existing larger than 10% pay gap between the two fleets AND give ALL pilots an equal percentage raise.

Not that I really care at this point. But don't tell me 3A initiators cared about fixing the B-scale that other JB pilots were under.

That said, I don't have a problem with 3A, and the arbitrator agreed that in at least one of the two cases, the company was wrong.

 

[Splert]

So you are saying the initial group knew all the possible outcomes before bob had a chance to review the claim.

Bull.

 

[Smarta$$]

I am saying you can't mathematically close a pre-existing pay gap of greater than 10%, and simultaneously give all pilots the same percentage raise. So those that initiated 3A didn't care if the E90 guys were a B-scale.

But, I just don't care to debate the topic further, but thought it was pretty douchy to drag out a months old post to attack me.

 

[Splert]

Who advised the pcrb about the merits of 3a?

Spill it. No one that is who. You are just writing fiction.

The company would have never given the 190 raise if they knew the outcome either.

 

[Smarta$$]

Its simple, I am only saying the 3A initiators didn't care if the E90 was a B-scale. Nothing more.

 

[Splert]

And the A320, right!

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Smarta$$, the FIRST thing you need to understand is that pilot feedback has absolutley NOTHING to do with company decisions about pay, sched, bennies, or anything... NOTHING.
"Thanks for your input". And that's it. Lipservice, just to placate you.
(We need an icon for wacking off. Completely appropriate in this context).
Except, as in 2008 when 10% of the pilots quit and others weren't even showing up for classes or interviews.
The company heard that, when it cost them money. That's ALL that they hear and SHOULD hear. It's a business. They make MORE money by paying you LESS than your peers. So far, free pizza and heart-felt handshakes have worked pretty well. Their job is to compensate you as little as possible and they do it well. Their bonuses reflect that.

I've been here 10+ years. When you've been here a little longer, you'll know. Maybe it's better than your regional, probably OK as a stepping stone. It's not a career airline.
Sorry to pop your balloon. I gave up the left seat in a 320 at a major to come here in '02. There was no risk to my seat or equipment. JB was the shining city on the hill.
I was a believer.
I was a sucker...

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Anyone who wants an education on JetBlue, please reference bluetruthpilots.com. There is plenty of information there. I highly recommend everyone educate themselves on the facts. The only way this place will ever be a destination airline is via proper representation. It's up to us.

"In business, you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate."

http://bluetruthpilots.com

 

[johnsonrod]

Smarta$$, the FIRST thing you need to understand is that pilot feedback has absolutley NOTHING to do with company decisions about pay, sched, bennies, or anything... NOTHING.
"Thanks for your input". And that's it. Lipservice, just to placate you.
(We need an icon for wacking off. Completely appropriate in this context).
Except, as in 2008 when 10% of the pilots quit and others weren't even showing up for classes or interviews.
The company heard that, when it cost them money. That's ALL that they hear and SHOULD hear. It's a business. They make MORE money by paying you LESS than your peers. So far, free pizza and heart-felt handshakes have worked pretty well. Their job is to compensate you as little as possible and they do it well. Their bonuses reflect that.

I've been here 10+ years. When you've been here a little longer, you'll know. Maybe it's better than your regional, probably OK as a stepping stone. It's not a career airline.
Sorry to pop your balloon. I gave up the left seat in a 320 at a major to come here in '02. There was no risk to my seat or equipment. JB was the shining city on the hill.
I was a believer.
I was a sucker...[/QUOTE]


I nominate this post as the POST OF THE DECADE. Thanks for your contribution.

 

[pilotpayne]

Smarta$$, the FIRST thing you need to understand is that pilot feedback has absolutley NOTHING to do with company decisions about pay, sched, bennies, or anything... NOTHING.
"Thanks for your input". And that's it. Lipservice, just to placate you.
(We need an icon for wacking off. Completely appropriate in this context).
Except, as in 2008 when 10% of the pilots quit and others weren't even showing up for classes or interviews.
The company heard that, when it cost them money. That's ALL that they hear and SHOULD hear. It's a business. They make MORE money by paying you LESS than your peers. So far, free pizza and heart-felt handshakes have worked pretty well. Their job is to compensate you as little as possible and they do it well. Their bonuses reflect that.

I've been here 10+ years. When you've been here a little longer, you'll know. Maybe it's better than your regional, probably OK as a stepping stone. It's not a career airline.
Sorry to pop your balloon. I gave up the left seat in a 320 at a major to come here in '02. There was no risk to my seat or equipment. JB was the shining city on the hill.
I was a believer.
I was a sucker...[/QUOTE]


I nominate this post as the POST OF THE DECADE. Thanks for your contribution.

And still you worry about jetBlue.

 

[Smarta$$]

Smarta$$, the FIRST thing you need to understand is that pilot feedback has absolutley NOTHING to do with company decisions about pay, sched, bennies, or anything... NOTHING.
"Thanks for your input". And that's it. Lipservice, just to placate you.
(We need an icon for wacking off. Completely appropriate in this context).
Except, as in 2008 when 10% of the pilots quit and others weren't even showing up for classes or interviews.
The company heard that, when it cost them money. That's ALL that they hear and SHOULD hear. It's a business. They make MORE money by paying you LESS than your peers. So far, free pizza and heart-felt handshakes have worked pretty well. Their job is to compensate you as little as possible and they do it well. Their bonuses reflect that.

I've been here 10+ years. When you've been here a little longer, you'll know. Maybe it's better than your regional, probably OK as a stepping stone. It's not a career airline.
Sorry to pop your balloon. I gave up the left seat in a 320 at a major to come here in '02. There was no risk to my seat or equipment. JB was the shining city on the hill.
I was a believer.
I was a sucker...[/QUOTE]


I nominate this post as the POST OF THE DECADE. Thanks for your contribution.

You are such an incredible tool. You don't see us seeking out posts about your regional airline and making comments. Unreal. How small is your hotdog?

This whole picking a good company to make a career is a long game, but you are spiking the ball and claiming victory 10 minutes into the 1st quarter. Yet you are still a regional airline pilot!!! We could have a union in 6 months, and if we are as profitable as some of these guys say we are, we could also have a very good contract.

How F-ing small does you hotdog have to be to feel you need to tear down the jobs and careers of others? A job that I would take 10 times over again, and is far better than your subcantractor regional airline job.

UAL will not call you. And if they do, you will NEVER pass the interview. But maybe there is still hope for that "shining city on a hill" Allegiant airlines to FINALLY call you...

Why don't you worry about your own sh!tte job and stop acting like a guy who is 4 feet tall.