Jetblue hiring... how and why?

[Splert]

I'll take a swing at this,

The "check yourself" comment might have something to do with the fact that you throw around "newhire" as an insult (insinuating that your opinion matters more due to your longevity).

Longevity provides context to many of the 'feelings' being expressed on FI.com.

On another thread another poster was labeling A320 pilots as demanding a B scale because of 3A. This poster is a relative newbie and does not understand the context of what has occurred over the past 8 years. The context is that it was the company that wanted to bring E190 pay up to A320 pay (2004 rates) and offered seat pay to us. At that time the PCRB was formed and looked at the issue and found and convinced the company that seat pay was NOT PSIA and in fact category rates were. The company wanted seat pay because it would link the A320 to the E190 not the E190 to the A320. Understand the difference???

Because of A320 pilots the rates were set in place as the CA 12 year rate is 100% and E190 12 year rate was 90% of the CA A320 rate and the FO was 66% of the CA rate. That is peer average formula.

Today the company is comparing E190 to E190 and says the E190 is industry leading when in fact it is peer average for it CATEGORY. It is the company that is trying to delink the 190 from the 90/66 metric. This new hire does not know what he is talking about when he is throwing A320 pilots under the bus and making up stories about them wanting a B scale.

Who has been of the tip of the spear making category comparison vs aircraft type comparisons to the company from the PCRB and current PVC. A320 Pilots.

When I was a new hire I listened and learned. Today it seems at least on this board the some newhire have all the answers but no facts or context.

 

[Flyby1206]

When I was a new hire I listened and learned. Today it seems at least on this board the some newhire have all the answers but no facts or context.

Unfortunately a newhire can cast a vote that has an equal weight to a 12yr CA. Our job is to provide facts and context to those who dont have it. No it is not easy. No they wont always listen the first time, but stay the course, remain calm and eventually rational/logical thinking will prevail.

You are one of our greatest assets because you have the facts and context many of us dont. Be a role model and others will listen. Be a loud barking attack dog and others will shy away.

 

[Splert]

How is the chicken farmer doing these days ?

 

[Smarta$$]

Longevity provides context to many of the 'feelings' being expressed on FI.com.

On another thread another poster was labeling A320 pilots as demanding a B scale because of 3A. This poster is a relative newbie and does not understand the context of what has occurred over the past 8 years. The context is that it was the company that wanted to bring E190 pay up to A320 pay (2004 rates) and offered seat pay to us. At that time the PCRB was formed and looked at the issue and found and convinced the company that seat pay was NOT PSIA and in fact category rates were. The company wanted seat pay because it would link the A320 to the E190 not the E190 to the A320. Understand the difference???

Because of A320 pilots the rates were set in place as the CA 12 year rate is 100% and E190 12 year rate was 90% of the CA A320 rate and the FO was 66% of the CA rate. That is peer average formula.

Today the company is comparing E190 to E190 and says the E190 is industry leading when in fact it is peer average for it CATEGORY. It is the company that is trying to delink the 190 from the 90/66 metric. This new hire does not know what he is talking about when he is throwing A320 pilots under the bus and making up stories about them wanting a B scale.

Who has been of the tip of the spear making category comparison vs aircraft type comparisons to the company from the PCRB and current PVC. A320 Pilots.

When I was a new hire I listened and learned. Today it seems at least on this board the some newhire have all the answers but no facts or context.

I think this is a little revisionist/incomplete history there chump. Lets take your history description to the next step, after the A320 pilots (I think they were just JB pilots (who happen to be flying the A320)) got the company to agree to give the E90 pilots a raise, they then sued the company for not giving the A320 pilots a raise also. So.... you can't bring E90 pay up to 90% of A320 pay, without triggering another A320 raise, which will again create a greater than 10% pay difference or B-scale. When the company tried to fix the B-scale, which you say was fought for by A320 pilots, the A320 pilots sued them demanding a raise that would re-create the B-scale. That was my point. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Splert]

Again no context.

90//65 was born in 2007/2008.

3A did not become a known entity until much later and is a function or qurik of the PEA not A320 pilots

Your rant is just that since E190s are entitled too just not post 2007 hires on either fleet.

 

[a320drivr]

How is the chicken farmer doing these days ?

That's funny. He's still in the DR camp cause its better than pinnacle.

 

[kommutrdog]

Guys,

Stop wasting your emotional and psychological energy arguing with each other as it's distracting you from the bigger fight:

Labor vs management.

Don't forget that and don't let the big blue corporate spin machine distract you.

 

[Smarta$$]

Again no context.

90//65 was born in 2007/2008.

3A did not become a known entity until much later and is a function or qurik of the PEA not A320 pilots

Your rant is just that since E190s are entitled too just not post 2007 hires on either fleet.

So correct my history. Are you saying that A320 pilots pushed for the higher E90 pay rates?

 

[banger]

I think this is a little revisionist/incomplete history there chump. Lets take your history description to the next step, after the A320 pilots (I think they were just JB pilots (who happen to be flying the A320)) got the company to agree to give the E90 pilots a raise, they then sued the company for not giving the A320 pilots a raise also. So.... you can't bring E90 pay up to 90% of A320 pay, without triggering another A320 raise, which will again create a greater than 10% pay difference or B-scale. When the company tried to fix the B-scale, which you say was fought for by A320 pilots, the A320 pilots sued them demanding a raise that would re-create the B-scale. That was my point. You can't have it both ways.

Your statement above is wrong on many counts. By the way the pilots didn't use court of any kind, we exercised our PEA rights by going to a neutral arbitrator agreed to by the company. It was JB who "sued" by taking the case to the NY supreme court where they lost.

 

[Smarta$$]

So did A320 pilots push for E90 raises?

 

[B6Busdriver]

I think this is a little revisionist/incomplete history there chump. Lets take your history description to the next step, after the A320 pilots (I think they were just JB pilots (who happen to be flying the A320)) got the company to agree to give the E90 pilots a raise, they then sued the company for not giving the A320 pilots a raise also. So.... you can't bring E90 pay up to 90% of A320 pay, without triggering another A320 raise, which will again create a greater than 10% pay difference or B-scale. When the company tried to fix the B-scale, which you say was fought for by A320 pilots, the A320 pilots sued them demanding a raise that would re-create the B-scale. That was my point. You can't have it both ways.

For the millionth time it wasn't a lawsuit. It's arbitration, simply using the process the company set up. The company could have fixed this years ago, instead their usual arrogant incompetence reared its ugly head. JetBlue is reaping what they have sowed.

 

[Smarta$$]

For the millionth time it wasn't a lawsuit. It's arbitration, simply using the process the company set up. The company could have fixed this years ago, instead their usual arrogant incompetence reared its ugly head. JetBlue is reaping what they have sowed.

Roger, not a lawsuit.

Splert said it was the A320 guys that pushed for E90 pay raises? Is that true?

Was it also these A320 pilots that pushed for the 90% E90 pay formula?

 

[B6Busdriver]

Roger, not a lawsuit.

Splert said it was the A320 guys that pushed for E90 pay raises? Is that true?

Was it also these A320 pilots that pushed for the 90% E90 pay formula?

I'm not sure why this is so important. As I recall there were pilots on both sides that worked on these rates. In the end it was what the company calls colaboration, I call it negotiating with a dictator. As our COO said, there are no negotiations at JetBlue, the PVC does not negotiate they colaborate. But I digress...

 

[banger]

Roger, not a lawsuit.

Splert said it was the A320 guys that pushed for E90 pay raises? Is that true?

Was it also these A320 pilots that pushed for the 90% E90 pay formula?

In 2007 over 115 pilots quit.
JB said "uh oh" and incresed new hire pay 26.7% to get peple to come here.
3A says if a new hire gets a raise, everyone gets the same raise.
No one else got the same raise.
Over 900 pilots saw this and used the arbitration clause in our PEA's to handle the disagreement.
Pilots win arbitration.

That simple.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I will never forget, I had a 190 Captain tell me after getting his 27% raise that "you Airbus guys got all the money last time so it's only fair." I laughed and said I'm happy you got the raise but the last time you are referring to was a 4% raise. So many have allowed themselves to be divided.