jetBlue Captain Pay?

[Intruder One]

What I think is funny about all this is how on other threads MESA is bashed post after post for voting in the contract that was much lower than everyone else's.Say one thing about JB and you will start a flame in their defense.I sorry they are no better than mesa,just because they are the darling of NY does not excuse them.Mesa is the low sucking scum of the regionals and JB is the same of the majors.I'm just calling a spade a spade.

 

[Blue Dude]

Intruder,

Back out from under your rock? How was your winter hibernation? Baited any other flames lately?

BTW, as you are so fond of pointing out, JB isn't a major airline yet. In fact, didn't you say that it would never be a major? It will be in the next year or so, regardless, which isn't bad for a scum sucker airline.

Back in your hole, troll. Just calling a spade a spade.

 

[flyingitalian]

Now back to the originally scheduled subject:

Out of curiosity, how much of your time in an average month is paid at above 70 hours? How many days on average are you scheduled to work? If you have vacation does it count toward the 70 hours to get you to 1.5? How many days are reserves scheduled and do they have to fly 70 hard hours to get to the 1.5? How do you get the extra trips for the overtime, bid, first come first served, bride scheduling?

Just would like to know.

thanks

 

[Zmanav8r]

contrail777

I live in Havelock and commute from RDU. The drive sucks but out of RDU is real easy. There is over 20 flights a day between Eagle, Comair, and USAir Ex and the people treat you great. The only time I have had problems is bad winter storms, but still made it every time. Normally I end up going to LGA. About 1/4 of the time I get into JFK. I have been told that we will be going to RDU "within the next couple of years". Have heard that one before, but we'll see. About 10 or so of us come out of RDU.

Zman

 

[contrail777]

Thanks guys!

I am getting ahead of myself thinking about commuting. I start UPT this year, maybe in around 5 years. Hopefully, everyone will be hiring again by then. Also, JB will be flying to RDU

Go Pack!

 

[dgs]

Reality Check

contrail777 -- You better check your contract. One year at UPT plus a 10 year commitment is 11 years!!! Who knows what will happen by then.

 

[Eagleflip]

Contrail--

I'm racing DGS at this very moment to post, but I'll take seconds on this one, fellow Wolfpacker...

GET YOUR HEAD OUTTA YOUR BEHIND AND CONCENTRATE ON THE TASK AT HAND!

You're going to UPT? Well, you'd better have made your mental commitment to the Air Force by now or you will not make it in the military.

Trust me--you will enjoy your time in the Air Force, flying the best aircraft in the world with the best folks at your side.

Please don't look at the AF and UPT as a stepping stone to the airlines. Just go do the best you can for the right reasons, and the rest of your life will fall into place just fine.

And, if you still want to come on over to JetBlue when you've served your country with pride and distinction...we'll still be here.

 

[dgs]

Out of curiosity, how much of your time in an average month is paid at above 70 hours? How many days on average are you scheduled to work? If you have vacation does it count toward the 70 hours to get you to 1.5? How many days are reserves scheduled and do they have to fly 70 hard hours to get to the 1.5? How do you get the extra trips for the overtime, bid, first come first served, bride scheduling?

70 hours is the min guarantee. Hours usually range from 72 to 88 depending on your preference and the quantity of flying available in a month vs. current manning. You can bid min, average, or max credit per month with our bidding software.

12-18 days working. Guaranteed 12 days off. Our trips average over 6 hours a day. It all depends on seniority and your preferences. Most people work about 15 days on with 15 off. Senior guys can get over 80 hours in 12 days.

Vacation and PTO does not count toward bonus pay.

Reserves still get a guaranteed 12 days off. The reserve min is 75 hours, so you get 5 hours of premium pay. It is rare, but possible to exceed the 75. Most reservists are probably getting 50-60 of actual flying.

For max overtime, bid "max sked" then try to pick up trips out of open time that keep you within the 30 in 7 rules. At the end of bidding there is a window to pick up open time--awarded based on seniority. After that it's first-come, first-served. I have no idea what bride scheduling is.

 

[skirt]

To all JetBlue critics,

The title of this thread does make me chuckle. Why does it always come down to pay? Sure, good pay is important, but there are a few things in life that are hard to put a pricetag on. No, I do not work for JetBlue. I don't have blue blood, or drink blue koolaid. Yes, I work for another outfit. Yes, my hourly last year was close to twice a JB captain (but getting smaller!), but I have to say, all things considered, they have a very good operation. The esprit de corp is downright phenominal, and the management has incredible business acumen combined with a good, ethical heart. How do you put a price on that? Just rode to NY on JB round trip. Passengers are happy, crew happy, not a bitch heard anywhere. I say good job. Would I trade places? Strong possiblity.

You've probably heard the saying "the fish smells from the head first". Most managements out there stink. I know a few that don't, and those are the ones making money with happy employees. Maybe the other majors will start paying attention to what JB has, a good management that truly cares about their employees. How do you put a price tag on management integrity and honesty? Think about it.

Skirt

 

[Intruder One]

JB may not a major yet but is stll a scum sucking airline just like Mesa ,me crawling out from under a rock makes no difference.I know some of you think JB is above all that....sorry you're dogs just like them.Asked most of the pilots at Mesa they don't see anything wrong with what their doing either.

 

[hngryflyr]

flight of the intruder

There is medication for what you have intruder. Good luck to you...and your next medical...

 

[dgs]

Nice attitude

JB may not a major yet but is stll a scum sucking airline just like Mesa ....sorry you're dogs just like them.

Intruder -- Easy big fella!!! Did you feel like that when you came to the JB interview, or did you just develop that attitude after you were rejected? Were you also rejected by Mesa? Your sour grapes are getting old. It was much more pleasant and more professional when you were under your rock.

For the more enlightened crowd -- Skirt has made a couple of important observations. If all you care about is money, life tends to disappoint the greedy. I was more concerned with job satisfaction, and couldn't be happier that I'm with jB. (SWA was the only other place I considered working. Great company, but jB is more like the company I read about in Nuts than SWA is today.) You are right--we love this company. That's why we come to its defense so often against people who just don't get it and who try to misrepresent us.

Lots of us came to jB as skeptics--wondering if it was too good to be true--and discovered that is was both good and true. Meeting David on the first day of indoc is a breath of fresh air. If we drink the blue Kool-aid, it's because we like the taste, not because we have been brainwashed into drinking it. Not everything is perfect, but people are working hard to identify and fix problems as they surface, and that's all I can ask for.

Like I said in the beginning of this thread, jB pays a comfortable living wage. Talk to me in 10 years and we'll lay out the total compensation packages to see who fared better. Stock options in many companies are worthless and profit sharing doesn't work when you are losing money. Meanwhile, those are pretty big chunks of change for us and could make us "the highest paid A320 pilots in the industry." All the while, we are enjoying the heck out of what we are doing and I make no apology for that!

 

[contrail777]

Uh oh...

OK, I am leaving the "Majors" board.

Guys, I am 100% into what I am about to do, AFRES, so no worries. I am looking forward to working my a$$ off in OTS/UPT and not a cube. Did not intend to talk about my situation, just comment on JB pay relative to where you could live. Like I said, just curious. Take it easy.

 

[AKAAB]

DGS,

AMEN!

AKAAB

 

[Neubyfly]

Guys and Gal(s):

I flew for TWA because I loved it. I stayed at TWA not for the pay but, because I loved it. After American bought TWA, the job quickly started to suck. I'm not talking about sour grapes and integration. I'm talking general working conditions, employer/emplyee relations, contract items, bidding, nonreving, the feeling of being appreciated. At TWA we were one of the team. At American we are easily expendable and more of a nuisance than anything else.

Pay is certainly not everything!!!!!!!

I would trade my 12718 seniority number at AA for the bottom number at JB any day. As a matter of fact I'm trying to right now!

And, in that frame of reference: Are any of you or, do any of you know any former Bizex or TWA pilots at JB? If so, please give them my E-mail address or email me with theirs.

Thank you all and you JBers........ You are some Lucky SOBs!!

Mark Neubauer
[email protected]

 

[Counselair]

Neubyfly,

Ditto, ditto, ditto. Same background (even Bizex until I got furloughed there also), I couldn't have said it better myself and I too am dying to get a shot at JB.

Counselair

 

[trainerjet]

Sounds to me like jetBlue is not the place for you, and vice versa.

 

[Intruder One]

Sorry guys I have no stress,these message boards are just something to do.What we all say here makes no difference its just a way to do a little venting.LCC's are what they are nothing more or less.If I was working at JB I would feel the same way.Just because you work there does not mean you can excuse what they are doing,if you can you are blind.I know you guys don't like being thrown into the pot with the likes of Mesa,but you are the same just at a different level.If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck......its a duck!

 

[Neubyfly]

....Just because you work there does not mean you can excuse what they are doing,if you can you are blind.

What are they doing that needs to excused?? Making a profit? Growing? Kicking the "Majors" asses? Treating their employees well? Treating their passengers well? Making ones job fun?

Major airlines are the ones who are making excuses for years of mismanagement and arrogance that has finally caught up with them. The strong arm unions are also to blame. I'm not antiunion just anti-stupidity.

Talk about venting... I'm done

 

[trainerjet]

Go back and read Intruder One's posts. All was great at jetBlue until he gets turned down at his interview. Then he talks the sh!t he is talking now. Not to hard to figure, is it? If they would have hired him, he would have no problem "doing what they are doing", and would be walking and talking just like those "ducks" he claims to despise. The best advice...pay him no attention.

 

[flyingitalian]

I have no idea what bride scheduling is.

Thanks for the answer. Im sure you know what a bribe is, but never conceived it could happen in scheduling. I was making a joke but one based in reality. A certain FA would actually bribe a scheduling supervisor to hold back trips so they would get awarded to her. Both were fired, but it went on for a while before it was discovered.

 

[AA717driver]

What's the angst about?

I'm glad the rumors about JB's airplane financing are put to rest. It's mostly just "whistling past the graveyard" by my fellow "legacy" pilots. They are rightfully scared of a well-run, well-financed carrier that could put their careers in jeopardy.

JB has already put their compensation in jeopardy--witness the wailing and gnashing of teeth by all the airline managements lately.

The JB people should not get defensive or be offended by these attacks or probing questions, it's just p***s envy!<G>

Add my name to Neuby and Counselair on the list of ex-TWA types trying to get hired at JB. Do we expect perfection? Of course not--we've been in this business way too long. As for me, I'm no longer chasing top hourly pay--AA taught me a lesson about that. I believe JB would provide the type of QOL I had at TWA while allowing me to fly enough to make a comfortable living for my family AND make it all the way to retirement without changing uniforms--AGAIN!(sorry, to include exerpts from my cover letter... ).TC

 

[NYRANGERS]

Ten year captain at Jetblue is $126.46 an hour.

What is Comair's top rate for the 70 seater?

I imagine they will be unsettlingly close, and NO I don't think comiair's pay should come down at all.

Why can so many people over look the trend? I continue to wish Jetblue sucess as I have many friends flying there. I can only hope Jetblue can prosper and get industry standard, if not for you Jetblue guys at least for us who would like to.

NYR (hoping there is not a LCC in the works who will pay their A320 pilots $80 an hour. You know there will be plenty of pilots)

 

[kwijybo]

JB Pay

Lets not forget that the contract JB works under was a contract that was written when there were no planes on the line, and no one had an idea of what would happen. There have been a few upward adjustments of the pay, but lets not forget JB only has 41 or so airplanes, and is still not a major.

I would expect that our wages might not shoot up anytime soon, but compared to SWA they are pretty good, pound for pound. They have a fleet of 300 or so airplanes.

A special shout out to Intruder one. How about all those 'losers' with JB stock. How is it doing now?

 

[NYRANGERS]

Re: JB Pay

Lets not forget that the contract JB works under was a contract that was written when there were no planes on the line, and no one had an idea of what would happen. There have been a few upward adjustments of the pay, but lets not forget JB only has 41 or so airplanes, and is still not a major.

I would expect that our wages might not shoot up anytime soon, but compared to SWA they are pretty good, pound for pound. They have a fleet of 300 or so airplanes.

A special shout out to Intruder one. How about all those 'losers' with JB stock. How is it doing now?

You make some very good points. I hope your next contract rewards you all for making Jetblue what it is, you guys and gals deserve it.

NYR

 

[Intruder One]

To kwijybo:

As far as JB stock goes its great,bought a bunch of it.Just like Mesa stock bought it also when they signed that crap contract,its going up also.Any idiot knows that most LCC's will make money when they undercut everyone else.Making a few bucks off of stock still does not excuse dragging the industry into the sewer.Mesa and JB still birds of a feather.

 

[Blue Dude]

Mesa could not succeed except for the existence of larger hub and spoke carriers. JetBlue aims to carve out its own niche regardless of (and sometimes in spite of) the hub and spoke carriers. One supplements with the cooperation of a mainline partner, and the other is an independent competitor. One arguably accelerates the furlough of its mainline partner pilots, and the other hires those same pilots off the street. Similarities? Where?

According to you, Intruder, Mesa is scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of pay and work rules. I can't address that; I don't know much about Mesa's contract. I do know that JetBlue's pay and work rules aren't anywhere close to the bottom, and the trend is to increase them. There are a number of carriers that pay much less, have much worse working conditions and rules, and yet still aren't succeeding financially the way that JetBlue is. Similarities? Where?

How exactly is JetBlue like Mesa again? I guess now I'm asking for it, but I don't see the connection.

 

[jbucpt]

Re: Re: JB Pay

You make some very good points. I hope your next contract rewards you all for making Jetblue what it is, you guys and gals deserve it.

NYR

nyr and intruder,

our next contract (pay) will be based on industry economic realities not on industry leading standards.
your premise that jetblue management is responsible for helping bring payrates down is ignorant.
for example: as a third year captain ill bring home a six fiqure income, average 16 days off a month, weekends off, good health benefits, good 401k and profit sharing (same as southwest)and good work rules. (all without the help of ALPA)
so i ask, what else should i demand? dont tell me "industry leading pay rates" because they dont exist anymore. industry leading pay rates are can only be supported during good economic times. not in bad, as we are witnessing.

as far as comparing mesa to jetblue. mesa's reputation speaks for itself. it was mesa who supported "pay for training" and "jet for jobs." it also had and has one of the worst contracts, (i.e. payrates and workrules) in the reqional industry.

nyr: your wasting your time and emotion routing for a team that only cares about collecting a paycheck.

 

[Intruder One]

To Blue Dude:

I don't know that Mesa and JB are equal in every way,I'm sure they are not.The only comparision I was making is low cost.The regionals will have to lower pay and bensfits to compete with them and the majors will have to do the same to compete with JB..I'm sure you are happy with what you make and are not concerned about pilots at other carriers,but you know the mesa guys feel the same way and they could care less about the other regionals.It's a race to the bottom and these two are leading the way,and you could care less adout the industry itself as long as you are happy.

 

[Skank]

Intruder, NYRangers, and other dim bulbs:

Thanks for all the concern about our pay...

I think you may want to worry about the direction your pay is headed, and spend a little less time thinking about our pay.