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Bavarian Chef
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What? Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Yeah, we have a dude that sits at a desk with a USA Today, a rosary and a laptop with Flightinfo on the home page that makes all of our class scheduling decisions.
Kicker is, he's a flight attendant. And he doesn't speak english.
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What? You think the current folks are any better? We don't have so much attrition at FDX and we can't ever figure out how to run a training department without a whipsaw effect either....
Voodoo might be an option....
Bavarian Chef
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Uhhh, I wasn't kidding. You'd think you would know that being in the interview prep biz and all.
As for the post I was referring to, I don't think the 1 week old arbitration decision at US has anything to do with our classes or lack thereof.
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grog_sit_reserv
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"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change? "
uke: Bavarianne... maybe if you actually understood what has happened over at AAA, you would possibly understand people's reaction to it.
How's this?
You have 14 years of longevity at AAA and now you will have 0.
Maybe our attrition to AAA WILL be affected?
Nah...
You'd rather mock the airline once again.
How's that SWA app coming along?
Man, they haven't hired you? THEY must be idiots!
Bavarian Chef
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I think a 1 week old decision hasn't affected our hiring plans. That was the question. Will it in the future? Uh, maybe. So will comets (and/or asteroids), hurricanes, ice storms, airplane sales, terrorist attacks, growth plans etc etc.
Has attrition slowed? That's what they tell us.
8vATE -- why don't you give these guys something real to think about, rather than make every jb thread some kind of weird chef attack? Tell a young JB prospective new hire for example, why he should come to jb, stay at jb, why he would enjoy jb etc. And why he should do so over SWA or any other airline hiring for that matter.
That's what this board is really about, right? Sharing the good and bad, so others can make the best decision possible. If you're so positive about jb, then let's hear it. Flow forth with the positive waves, Moriarty!
I reserve the right to be irreverently funny whenever I choose. Even if I am the only one that thinks it's funny.
A little off the topic...
Does any one have an estimate as to how many apps. are currently on file at JB? I assume there aren't as many as there were 2,3 or 4 years ago when JB and SWA were the only ones hiring.
With Cont. Delta and all the other callbacks going on (all be it slow callbacks) I'm trying to get an idea of how feasible it is to get a call from them without a ton of turbine PIC. I'm one of those unfortunate few who has a good amount of Turbine time but was unlucky with upgrade with 121 now I have to bulid PIC time at a pt. 135 comp. but its a lot slower going than pt. 121.
Does any one have an estimate as to how many apps. are currently on file at JB? I assume there aren't as many as there were 2,3 or 4 years ago when JB and SWA were the only ones hiring.
With Cont. Delta and all the other callbacks going on (all be it slow callbacks) I'm trying to get an idea of how feasible it is to get a call from them without a ton of turbine PIC. I'm one of those unfortunate few who has a good amount of Turbine time but was unlucky with upgrade with 121 now I have to bulid PIC time at a pt. 135 comp. but its a lot slower going than pt. 121.
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It doesnt matter how many applications are on file. Any HR person will claim he highest number possible simply to make the job more attractive. If I said we had 10,000 apps on file would you not apply? The number is irrelevant.
Less people are accepting a job than before and the target hiring is changing. All you can do is apply and hope for the best. A friend who just got hired mentioned the majority of his class was all regional and some millitary. Those are the people currently accepting the jobs hence the demographic. JB tries to look at people from each sector of aviation so you have just as good a shot as anyone else. Given that many high time applicants are passing on the job you may have a better shot than you think. As I said if you don't apply or attend the open houses you will never know.
Less people are accepting a job than before and the target hiring is changing. All you can do is apply and hope for the best. A friend who just got hired mentioned the majority of his class was all regional and some millitary. Those are the people currently accepting the jobs hence the demographic. JB tries to look at people from each sector of aviation so you have just as good a shot as anyone else. Given that many high time applicants are passing on the job you may have a better shot than you think. As I said if you don't apply or attend the open houses you will never know.
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They have hit the bottom of the barrel. A couple weeks ago JB was cold calling people who haven't updated their profile via the website in a couple of years.
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Proof? Source?
Is there such a thing as a pilot who would rather work for JetBlue than SWA? Seriously....
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2 of my buds at the old regional called me to see what was up. Neither had sent anything to JetBlue in more than 18 months. JetBlue told them if they were still interested in the job to go update their profiles. They both did, they both were interviewed in the May 2nd round. They are both now in phase 2.
Sounds like a cold call to me.
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how dry is the pool anyway?
Not trying to take any sides here, just wondering what kind of times your friends had. I don't think its possible that we literaly don't have any active (recently updated) applications so the hiring folks are forced to cold call old ones. But perhaps the previously endless supply of constantly updating 2000+ jet PIC/check airmen/military candidates of years past beating down our door has dried up, so maybe we are dusting off older apps in an attempt to increase the average times (in various categories) of those getting hired.
The industry has been opening up lately when it comes to hiring. I don't know we'll ever be able to say its completely a "pilot's market" but compared to the dark ages of 2001-2006 it sure seems that way by comparison, and is getting better by the day. Also many good folks with very competitive times have applied for years never to get a call, and many just stopped updating. When IDE was going away, we hired TONS of those (mostly great) dudes, but at one point (approximately 18 months ago I think) it seemed like we abruptly reduced that mass preferential hiring shortly after the big push from the IAD/IDE job fair we held back then.
For a while half to two thirds of all classes were IDE guys, which was fine with me, but I think the company didn't want to get such a dominate and closely grouped potential sub culture here all at once, and pilots from other backgrounds were feeling jilted as their friends who had been applying for years were not getting the call while we were agressively calling so many IDE guys/gals some of whom only had very recent applications.
The company has always liked a variety (121 pax, corporate, military, cargo, etc) of pilots and I think hiring so many in such a condensed time frame from a single cross section, let alone a single airline, led the powers that be to put the brakes on it to that extent for a while.
If IDE was the "old regional" you were referring to (just guessing from your j32 name), it would make sense why they hadn't updated since then, yet were still interested and were called for an interview.
Of course I would also agree with you that our application pool is certainly not as deep as in years past, that's a given. But I don't think its so dried up that we literaly can't find current apps on file. The days of us filling classes with nothing but Bob Hoover stem cell infused 787 check airmen and F-35 test pilots* are over. But as pilots we can't complain enough about our lack of pricing power, so is that really a bad thing?
*slight exageration for the sarcasm impared
Not trying to take any sides here, just wondering what kind of times your friends had. I don't think its possible that we literaly don't have any active (recently updated) applications so the hiring folks are forced to cold call old ones. But perhaps the previously endless supply of constantly updating 2000+ jet PIC/check airmen/military candidates of years past beating down our door has dried up, so maybe we are dusting off older apps in an attempt to increase the average times (in various categories) of those getting hired.
The industry has been opening up lately when it comes to hiring. I don't know we'll ever be able to say its completely a "pilot's market" but compared to the dark ages of 2001-2006 it sure seems that way by comparison, and is getting better by the day. Also many good folks with very competitive times have applied for years never to get a call, and many just stopped updating. When IDE was going away, we hired TONS of those (mostly great) dudes, but at one point (approximately 18 months ago I think) it seemed like we abruptly reduced that mass preferential hiring shortly after the big push from the IAD/IDE job fair we held back then.
For a while half to two thirds of all classes were IDE guys, which was fine with me, but I think the company didn't want to get such a dominate and closely grouped potential sub culture here all at once, and pilots from other backgrounds were feeling jilted as their friends who had been applying for years were not getting the call while we were agressively calling so many IDE guys/gals some of whom only had very recent applications.
The company has always liked a variety (121 pax, corporate, military, cargo, etc) of pilots and I think hiring so many in such a condensed time frame from a single cross section, let alone a single airline, led the powers that be to put the brakes on it to that extent for a while.
If IDE was the "old regional" you were referring to (just guessing from your j32 name), it would make sense why they hadn't updated since then, yet were still interested and were called for an interview.
Of course I would also agree with you that our application pool is certainly not as deep as in years past, that's a given. But I don't think its so dried up that we literaly can't find current apps on file. The days of us filling classes with nothing but Bob Hoover stem cell infused 787 check airmen and F-35 test pilots* are over. But as pilots we can't complain enough about our lack of pricing power, so is that really a bad thing?
*slight exageration for the sarcasm impared
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