jetBlue canceled classes?

[Green]

Tell a young JB prospective new hire for example, why he should come to jb, stay at jb, why he would enjoy jb etc. And why he should do so over SWA or any other airline hiring for that matter.

That's what this board is really about, right?

Is there such a thing as a pilot who would rather work for JetBlue than SWA? Seriously....

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Is there such a thing as a pilot who would rather work for JetBlue than SWA? Seriously....

JB is a good place to work. So is luv. Who knows.

 

[IB6 UB9]

Is there such a thing as a pilot who would rather work for JetBlue than SWA? Seriously....

Yup...me.

 

[J32driver]

Proof? Source?

2 of my buds at the old regional called me to see what was up. Neither had sent anything to JetBlue in more than 18 months. JetBlue told them if they were still interested in the job to go update their profiles. They both did, they both were interviewed in the May 2nd round. They are both now in phase 2.

Sounds like a cold call to me.

 

[IronCityBlue]

how dry is the pool anyway?

2 of my buds at the old regional called me to see what was up. Neither had sent anything to JetBlue in more than 18 months. JetBlue told them if they were still interested in the job to go update their profiles. They both did, they both were interviewed in the May 2nd round. They are both now in phase 2.

Sounds like a cold call to me.

Not trying to take any sides here, just wondering what kind of times your friends had. I don't think its possible that we literaly don't have any active (recently updated) applications so the hiring folks are forced to cold call old ones. But perhaps the previously endless supply of constantly updating 2000+ jet PIC/check airmen/military candidates of years past beating down our door has dried up, so maybe we are dusting off older apps in an attempt to increase the average times (in various categories) of those getting hired.

The industry has been opening up lately when it comes to hiring. I don't know we'll ever be able to say its completely a "pilot's market" but compared to the dark ages of 2001-2006 it sure seems that way by comparison, and is getting better by the day. Also many good folks with very competitive times have applied for years never to get a call, and many just stopped updating. When IDE was going away, we hired TONS of those (mostly great) dudes, but at one point (approximately 18 months ago I think) it seemed like we abruptly reduced that mass preferential hiring shortly after the big push from the IAD/IDE job fair we held back then.

For a while half to two thirds of all classes were IDE guys, which was fine with me, but I think the company didn't want to get such a dominate and closely grouped potential sub culture here all at once, and pilots from other backgrounds were feeling jilted as their friends who had been applying for years were not getting the call while we were agressively calling so many IDE guys/gals some of whom only had very recent applications.

The company has always liked a variety (121 pax, corporate, military, cargo, etc) of pilots and I think hiring so many in such a condensed time frame from a single cross section, let alone a single airline, led the powers that be to put the brakes on it to that extent for a while.

If IDE was the "old regional" you were referring to (just guessing from your j32 name), it would make sense why they hadn't updated since then, yet were still interested and were called for an interview.

Of course I would also agree with you that our application pool is certainly not as deep as in years past, that's a given. But I don't think its so dried up that we literaly can't find current apps on file. The days of us filling classes with nothing but Bob Hoover stem cell infused 787 check airmen and F-35 test pilots* are over. But as pilots we can't complain enough about our lack of pricing power, so is that really a bad thing?


*slight exageration for the sarcasm impared

 

[jumppilot]

I hadn't updated in 8 months and was called for an interview. Keep in mind, I submitted my application once, and never did update.

I had to decline, as I had another opportunity present itself, but it does sound like it isn't the type of hiring environment it used to be.

 

[Counselair]

Getting back to the original topic...



No great mystery. We're fat on 190 guys and very low on 320 guys (insert speculations on why here). The training department shifted from 190 to 320 activities. The overall number of people starting training remains the same, just in different equipment.

C

 

[Lake Alice]

After a conversation with a chief pilot a while back when it was mentioned our target hiring was going to change. Given our pay was not going up very much the company needed to find pilots who would be willing to sit in the right seat for a much longer time for much less pay, compared to other airlines, so this is what could be happening.

 

[Dogwood]

After a conversation with a chief pilot a while back when it was mentioned our target hiring was going to change. Given our pay was not going up very much the company needed to find pilots who would be willing to sit in the right seat for a much longer time for much less pay, compared to other airlines, so this is what could be happening.

We probably also should be advertising no less than a 6 year upgrade. Our growth will probably slow a little more, so the quick upgrades are a thing of the past. Actually 6 years is still fairly quick, depending on your age.

New hire should be very clear on that before they come to work here. That Carrot is no longer hanging.

It's also clear, by viewing those walking around the crewroom, we are also targeting much younger pilots as well. They can handle the right seat a little longer, as they will have longer in the left seat to build their finances.

 

[Lake Alice]

I would add two comments to your post. We are still advertising that 2 year or less upgrade on the 190 and although there are quite a few younger pilots coming through the door the company is targeting the lower time regional pilot. An RJ captain is more likely to remain where they are or hold out for a better opportunity where a low time regional FO is looking at a few years to captain either way. In the past weeks I've have had 2 Comair captains on the jumpseat neither of which would come to work here. That in my opinion is sad.
Once the legacys are back in hiring mode we will be in big trouble from a hiring standpoint, more so than we are now. Jetblue is still a nice place to work but that wont keep many people around too much longer.

 

[The Victors]

Yup...me.

care to post you SAT scores? That might explain something.

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Is there such a thing as a pilot who would rather work for JetBlue than SWA? Seriously....

I turned down an interview there also. Might regret it later, but QOL outwins money for me.

 

[Floyd94]

care to post you SAT scores? That might explain something.

If he went to Riddle, probably didn't even take them....

 

[The Victors]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Qol???????? Your joking right? QOL better at JB vs SWA?????
ok. back to classes cancelled thread.............

 

[FADEC]

What do you think will happen when the fence comes down in October. I bet that Dave Barger will come to the E190 guys and offer them a one time monetary bonus to stay in the seat for up to another year. I also believe that the greatest movement will be in the right seat of the E190 as guys bid the bus for better QOL and trip selection. As a relatively senior JFK A320 FO (mid 1000 number) I am leaning towards bidding the left seat of the E190 as I really don't want to be on reserve for the next 3 years and I think I could be in one of the first post fence initial classes. Again I believe that there are about 50 E190 captains senior to me who just want to get back to the bus. I am interested to hear others opinions and thoughts on this subject.