jetBlue canceled classes?

[Dogwood]

What do you think will happen when the fence comes down in October. I bet that Dave Barger will come to the E190 guys and offer them a one time monetary bonus to stay in the seat for up to another year. I also believe that the greatest movement will be in the right seat of the E190 as guys bid the bus for better QOL and trip selection. As a relatively senior JFK A320 FO (mid 1000 number) I am leaning towards bidding the left seat of the E190 as I really don't want to be on reserve for the next 3 years and I think I could be in one of the first post fence initial classes. Again I believe that there are about 50 E190 captains senior to me who just want to get back to the bus. I am interested to hear others opinions and thoughts on this subject.

Dave may or may not offer a bonus to stay on the 190. I think that would be a mistake. We should let the fence come down, and allow the natural transitions to occur. In the long run that will stabilize things.

I think the 190 may be a better choice if you want to upgrade, then bid the Bus in 2 or 3 years, and skip the entire reserve thing.

 

[IronCityBlue]

doubtful on the incentive bonus thing

What do you think will happen when the fence comes down in October. I bet that Dave Barger will come to the E190 guys and offer them a one time monetary bonus to stay in the seat for up to another year. I also believe that the greatest movement will be in the right seat of the E190 as guys bid the bus for better QOL and trip selection. As a relatively senior JFK A320 FO (mid 1000 number) I am leaning towards bidding the left seat of the E190 as I really don't want to be on reserve for the next 3 years and I think I could be in one of the first post fence initial classes. Again I believe that there are about 50 E190 captains senior to me who just want to get back to the bus. I am interested to hear others opinions and thoughts on this subject.

I doubt Barger will offer a bonus to stay on the 190, or the bus for that matter. Remember, in addition to the October master fence, everyone has their own personal freeze 2 years from when they went to the 190 (or the bus for that matter). Even if every 190 pilot bid the bus, the actual ammount leaving would be limited to training slots available. So either way there's not going to be some sort of mass exodus fleet wide.

Whatever financial incentive they were going to provide to reduce fleet crossover has already occured IMO. 3rd year bus pay was the largest single raise this last time around. Running the numbers for 320FO--->190CA now, especially when you consider the massive hit to trip quality, commutability, productivity, etc, there is very little financial incentive to leave the powerful bidding position of a 3rd year and up bus FO to become a 190 CA junior lineholder getting the bottom of the barell of significantly inferior trips, working more days, getting less commutable days, dramaticaly less available swaps and adds, etc. You will still make more, but not dramaticaly more when you factor all that into the equation.

There will be some 190CA---->320CA movement, and I don't think the company is prepared to offer a large enough financial incentive to prevent that. Many 190CA's could have been lineholding bus CA's by now but bought off on the hype about how great the 190 was going to be from a purely QOL standpoint. IMO there would have to be one heck of a bonus offered to change their minds at this point.

That leaves the relatively minor categories of 190FO----->320FO and 190CA------>320FO. There will likely be some of each for various reasons, but not a staggering number and certainly not enough to warrant the consideration of a bonus of any kind.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I doubt Barger will offer a bonus to stay on the 190, or the bus for that matter. Remember, in addition to the October master fence, everyone has their own personal freeze 2 years from when they went to the 190 (or the bus for that matter). Even if every 190 pilot bid the bus, the actual ammount leaving would be limited to training slots available. So either way there's not going to be some sort of mass exodus fleet wide.

Whatever financial incentive they were going to provide to reduce fleet crossover has already occured IMO. 3rd year bus pay was the largest single raise this last time around. Running the numbers for 320FO--->190CA now, especially when you consider the massive hit to trip quality, commutability, productivity, etc, there is very little financial incentive to leave the powerful bidding position of a 3rd year and up bus FO to become a 190 CA junior lineholder getting the bottom of the barell of significantly inferior trips, working more days, getting less commutable days, dramaticaly less available swaps and adds, etc. You will still make more, but not dramaticaly more when you factor all that into the equation.

There will be some 190CA---->320CA movement, and I don't think the company is prepared to offer a large enough financial incentive to prevent that. Many 190CA's could have been lineholding bus CA's by now but bought off on the hype about how great the 190 was going to be from a purely QOL standpoint. IMO there would have to be one heck of a bonus offered to change their minds at this point.

That leaves the relatively minor categories of 190FO----->320FO and 190CA------>320FO. There will likely be some of each for various reasons, but not a staggering number and certainly not enough to warrant the consideration of a bonus of any kind.

Either way, this movement will be limited by training slots. Nothing earth shattering will occur. I personally don't think much will happen with the fence that will throw the whole system out of whack. How many total CA upgrades are there in July for instance?


Answer: Zero.

 

[lowpitchstop]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Green
Is there such a thing as a pilot who would rather work for JetBlue than SWA? Seriously....


I for one live in NY, have a great time while at work with jetblue, enjoy flying 2 - 3 legs a day, got a 1250 on my SAT's, and did not pay alot for my car insurance! What a concept, someone (much more than one) seriously likes flying for jetblue rather than Southwest...

 

[Lake Alice]

I got me a 1390 and I learned me enuf to know I aint payin' for no type ratin' no matter what!

 

[SonicPig]

I got me a 1390 and I learned me enuf to know I aint payin' for no type ratin' no matter what!

If you were lucky enough to be furloughed (like me), Uncle Sam should have paid for the type rating. If you wanted it.

The Pig.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I think a 1 week old decision hasn't affected our hiring plans. That was the question. Will it in the future? Uh, maybe. So will comets (and/or asteroids), hurricanes, ice storms, airplane sales, terrorist attacks, growth plans etc etc.

Has attrition slowed? That's what they tell us.

8vATE -- why don't you give these guys something real to think about, rather than make every jb thread some kind of weird chef attack? Tell a young JB prospective new hire for example, why he should come to jb, stay at jb, why he would enjoy jb etc. And why he should do so over SWA or any other airline hiring for that matter.

That's what this board is really about, right? Sharing the good and bad, so others can make the best decision possible. If you're so positive about jb, then let's hear it. Flow forth with the positive waves, Moriarty!


I reserve the right to be irreverently funny whenever I choose. Even if I am the only one that thinks it's funny.

posted for effect. he chooses which posts to respond to. give us the straight scoop, O God of 121!

 

[Dave's kid]

I'll try to rehijack the thread. Heard from a friend of mine swimming in phase 2. The June 6 class will be the last JetBlue new hire class until mid-August. It sounds like the typical summer slowdown, nothing to get alarmed at. Last summer they didn't run any Airbus classes for two months.

 

[Beechnut]

I'll try to rehijack the thread. Heard from a friend of mine swimming in phase 2. The June 6 class will be the last JetBlue new hire class until mid-August. It sounds like the typical summer slowdown, nothing to get alarmed at. Last summer they didn't run any Airbus classes for two months.

How old is that information? Last I read on a forwarded email said no 190 classes for a couple months. Sounds like A320 going through as planned. I read that this past week.

S.

 

[Dave's kid]

My friend got the news yesterday.

 

[cocknbull]

Got the news he passed phase 2 or that there were no classes or both?

 

[Dave's kid]

Both. Interviewed April 13, phase 2 email a week later. Eventually he got a call seeing if he could make the June 6 class. For personal reasons he couldn't make that class. He was then told there would be no more new hire classes until August 15.

 

[KingDriver]

Can anyone from Jetblue confirm or deny this rumor regarding no classes after June 6 until August?

 

[WateryGrave]

Can anyone from Jetblue confirm or deny this rumor regarding no classes after June 6 until August?

I can confirm that there is a rumor regarding no classes after June 6th.... does that help???

 

[KingDriver]

That's not exactly what I was looking for there scooter! Thanks though.

 

[Dave's kid]

Although we haven't recieved anything from official channels internally about class schedules, I was sitting next to my friend when he got the news. It's legit.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Is this the same guy spoken of in this thread? http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=98369

 

[Dave's kid]

Is this the same guy spoken of in this thread? http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=98369

probably

 

[fam62c]

Realistic upgrade times at JetBlue?

I've heard a lot of different things about this, mostly 2 years from DOH to 190 CA and 3 years from DOH to 320 CA. I realize that this time is dependent on some unknowns such as attrition and fleet crossover once the fences are lifted but can anyone at JB who really knows something provide a realistic estimate based on what is happening now? Thanks.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Yeah BC. Everything at JetBlue is clearly fantabulous! How dare you throw any honesty out there for prospective pilots.

"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change? "uke:


Bavarianne... maybe if you actually understood what has happened over at AAA, you would possibly understand people's reaction to it.

How's this?
You have 14 years of longevity at AAA and now you will have 0.

Maybe our attrition to AAA WILL be affected?

Nah...
You'd rather mock the airline once again.

How's that SWA app coming along?
Man, they haven't hired you? THEY must be idiots!

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

You may get lucky and upgrade on the 190 after the fence comes down. But there are a LOT of newhires in the Bus who will cross over when their seatlocks are up. Theoretically, it's possible make more in the left seat of the 190 than the right seat of the 320. Plus, there are some dudes who want to fly with their favorite a-hole everyday. Personally, I'd plan on 3 years for 190 Captain.

The 320 is where it gets ugly. I've talked to A LOT of 190 Captains who can't wait to get back in the Bus. Plus, throw in the unknown numbers of future Airbus sales that DB keeps talking about, and it's anyone's guess. But with a somewhat intelligent WAG, I'd say a newhire could plan on at least 5 years, possibly 6 or more, to upgrade on the Bus. Of course, while slowing, our massive attrition will keep things interesting as well...

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm thinking I'm pretty close...

Good Luck,
BS

I've heard a lot of different things about this, mostly 2 years from DOH to 190 CA and 3 years from DOH to 320 CA. I realize that this time is dependent on some unknowns such as attrition and fleet crossover once the fences are lifted but can anyone at JB who really knows something provide a realistic estimate based on what is happening now? Thanks.

 

[Spectre]

I would add two comments to your post. We are still advertising that 2 year or less upgrade on the 190 and although there are quite a few younger pilots coming through the door the company is targeting the lower time regional pilot. An RJ captain is more likely to remain where they are or hold out for a better opportunity where a low time regional FO is looking at a few years to captain either way. In the past weeks I've have had 2 Comair captains on the jumpseat neither of which would come to work here. That in my opinion is sad.
Once the legacys are back in hiring mode we will be in big trouble from a hiring standpoint, more so than we are now. Jetblue is still a nice place to work but that wont keep many people around too much longer.

I don't think we have a crisis here at JetBlue when it comes to hiring well qualified pilots, even if the legacies started to spin up new hire classes. Heck, as longs as Skybus can find well qualified pilots to fly their planes, then JetBlue will be just fine.

 

[Truckdriver]

I don't think we have a crisis here at JetBlue when it comes to hiring well qualified pilots, even if the legacies started to spin up new hire classes. Heck, as longs as Skybus can find well qualified pilots to fly their planes, then JetBlue will be just fine.

Well, Skybus was at AirInc in ATL this week and there was never a line to talk to them. I think those that did stop by were guys who were CFI's looking for regional jobs. I think Skybus will be filling their seats with very low time pilots or those who have FAA violations and bad employment records. JetBlue is not going to find the type of people they have been getting the last few years. I also have many friends who are regional captains and they will not even apply at JetBlue. Of course, there are a select few who live in NYC or BOS that may do it for QOL, but there aren't many high time regional captains or military guys who want to come here now. With that being said, there are thousands of new regional captains and even more experienced regional FO's who would be great at JetBlue. JetBlue will just have to adjust into hiring guys from a different pool than what they have in the past. Not a bid deal in my opinion. Airlines having trouble finding qualified applicants is a good thing. I would rather that be the case than have 10,000 furloughed guys to pick from.