JB pilots file with NMB

[Floatplane]

Look around except for SWA in the airline industry and soon to be UAW. UAW had 300,000+ members they are now down to 150,000...

Unions = Job Loses

No protection from anything now in this economy. So far JBLU has not furloughed. This NMB filing has now, if anything, encouraged our leaders to suspend any kind of improvements to our QOL, pay, and benefits until this vote is done. Thanks JBPA!!!

Comparing the pilots at SWA to the UAW is ridiculous. That might be the most nonsensical paragraph I have ever read on this forum.

You say, Unions=Job loses. How? That is a pretty bold statement without any support of fact. I would say that bad management is the true culprit of job loses. Just pick up your morning paper and take a look at the current state of affairs in this country. It is not because of unions. It is due to poor management and greed.

Your last paragraph might be the most comical, you actually think the leaders at were in the process of planning any improvements to our QOL? Give me a break! We have watched our overall compensation and benefits decrease every year. And the fact that we have not furloughed is due to the fact that we have a contract that they must pay by law. Even if they furloughed they would still have to pay us 70 hours a month not to work.

And yes you can thank JBPA because so far they are the only group that is actually looking to improve what you currently have. Jetblue management has done very little. Most improvements have been cost neutral and if you index it with inflation we are years and thousands of dollars behind our peers. Did you actually read the PCRB report? It details all of the areas that we are deficient in compared to our peers at other carriers. If we can have a collective voice to negotiate improvements to what we currently have then JBPA has my vote!

 

[Caveman]

Hey BV,
I tried to quit because Rez is on "autobabble". Please drop the plural form of "Dorks" to the singular "Dork". If you do not, I will continue to argue with him starting with the political rights of the cave man.

Hey! Don't drag me into this! imp:

 

[Bavarian Chef]

"Thanks JBPA!"


Did you mean: "Thanks to ONE HALF of the pilot group (at least) speaking up for their careers"?

Don't kid yourself -- this isn't some small, fringe movement. Your peers, quite a lot I might add, have a differing opinion. If you want to sarcastically blame someone other than management for the NMB filing, don't blame the JBPA -- blame the the guy sitting on your left or right.

 

[StarChecker]

This NMB filing has now, if anything, encouraged our leaders to suspend any kind of improvements to our QOL, pay, and benefits until this vote is done. Thanks JBPA!!!

OH MY GOD, you actually bought into that ridiculous line of crap from JR? You actually believe improvements were on the way?


Unbelievable....really unbelievable...

 

[OurMoney1]

What are the odds this passes? Anybody wanna take a stab?

On behalf of us brown night drivers we support you guys 100%...we know how hard you work. On any given night as we come transcon it is usually only CAL, BLue, and FDX blazin a trail to catch the East Coast sunrise.

 

[StarChecker]

On any given night as we come transcon it is usually only CAL, BLue, and FDX blazin a trail to catch the East Coast sunrise.

Except we're doing it for 1/2 the money as you guys with no Night Rig....

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Except we're doing it for 1/2 the money as you guys with no Night Rig....

And a 16 hr crew day, just like the during the day.

 

[Floatplane]

And a 16 hr crew day, just like the during the day.

Yea it sucks, but some blue juicers still think the company is going to take care of us. It makes me want to puke when I think about it.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Jetblue is looking like USAIR in the 80's. Lots of hiring and suddenly boom. There will be have and the have nots. Just a few years will make the difference. Timing is everything. It will be like USAIR DOH 1985 or 1988. At Jetblue, it will be 2004 and 2007.
There will be almost 0 retirements at Jetble in the future. So, the only way to upgrade will be more growth, which I do not see.

Anyway, JetBlue is still a great product. If your product would not be as good , you would have been gone by now.

Good luck to all the Jetblue Pilots. With or without a Union.

M

You are exactly right. At JetBlue, the difference is going to be huge just between DOH 2006-2007. It could mean the difference between upgrading - and never upgrading. Seriously, what good is a 15+ year upgrade when your career earnings potential goes down the drain along the way?

 

[Fins Up]

"Unions = job losses" is certainly not a true statement. If we don't get crazy and try to vote in a ridiculuos contract that our revenue can't possibly support, we'll be alright. But that's going to be up to us to do the research and make ourselves aware of the company's cash flow.

I'm very happy at JetBlue. I'm a fence-sitter recently turned yes vote. I'm completely against the need for a union, but that ain't the way the world works.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

I'm senior enough here to understand that the benefits from a union will benefit ME. However, if you're a junior pilot here at Jetblue looking for more pay and benefits through JBPA, you're kidding yourselves... A union will only have one effect after the negotiations are done. A 100% decrease in pay for you when you're laid off. Additionally, when displacements take hold, about 300-500 pilots here will see a significant "life change" when this economy lingers and JBPA makes the tough descisions easy for management... So, I'm all for more pay and benefits at the cost of our young. That is the union way.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

In the top 50%, and I will vote NO. Simple

I'm also in the top 50%. You've made your mind up and so have I.

 

[Caveman]

I'm senior enough here to understand that the benefits from a union will benefit ME. However, if you're a junior pilot here at Jetblue looking for more pay and benefits through JBPA, you're kidding yourselves... A union will only have one effect after the negotiations are done. A 100% decrease in pay for you when you're laid off. Additionally, when displacements take hold, about 300-500 pilots here will see a significant "life change" when this economy lingers and JBPA makes the tough descisions easy for management... So, I'm all for more pay and benefits at the cost of our young. That is the union way.

Three questions:

1. What's to prevent management from making these 'tough' decisions whether or not we have a CBA?

2. In the absence of a CBA how do you propose we address the problems with our LOL/STD?

3. In the absence of a CBA how do you propose we correct the pending 401K ERISA implosion?

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Three questions:

1. What's to prevent management from making these 'tough' decisions whether or not we have a CBA?

2. In the absence of a CBA how do you propose we address the problems with our LOL/STD?

3. In the absence of a CBA how do you propose we correct the pending 401K ERISA implosion?

I got one too:

How would life at JetBlue change for pilots, if instead of 2000 individual contracts, we had 1 CBA? No change in work rules, retirement or pay (for now) but only one contract. One voice. They haven't furloughed under the current "contracts" why would they under a new CBA?

I cannot imagine they would squander so much goodwill in such a way.

If we can accomplish one voice, one CBA (at least until the economy improves), we will be a much stronger pilot group for the prospect of future changes and improvements.

 

[Splert]

Originally Posted by elag777
Respecting the arguements of both opinions requires education into exactly what B6 pilots have now with the PEA. There is more protection in there than you may think.

elag777,

What protection does our PEA provide for our health care plan.

Here is a hint: ERISA and IRC and the fact that each employee at jetBlue must have the same self insured benefits and costs.

1). Nothing
2). USairways
3). Go back to school and learn how to read or other standard elag777 response when he is out of talking points
4). _________.

 

[Longhorn]

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[Indy refugee]

I'm senior enough here to understand that the benefits from a union will benefit ME. However, if you're a junior pilot here at Jetblue looking for more pay and benefits through JBPA, you're kidding yourselves... A union will only have one effect after the negotiations are done. A 100% decrease in pay for you when you're laid off. Additionally, when displacements take hold, about 300-500 pilots here will see a significant "life change" when this economy lingers and JBPA makes the tough descisions easy for management... So, I'm all for more pay and benefits at the cost of our young. That is the union way.

Stop POSING! YOu are a 'no' vote!!

You are trying to scare people with BS!! If we are 300 pilots overstaffed that's roughly $30-50M/yr. If they are not furloughing out of the kindness of their hearts, then they are violating their duty to their shareholders.

Just vote NO and keep it real!!!

 

[J32driver]

I'm senior enough here to understand that the benefits from a union will benefit ME. However, if you're a junior pilot here at Jetblue looking for more pay and benefits through JBPA, you're kidding yourselves... A union will only have one effect after the negotiations are done. A 100% decrease in pay for you when you're laid off. Additionally, when displacements take hold, about 300-500 pilots here will see a significant "life change" when this economy lingers and JBPA makes the tough descisions easy for management... So, I'm all for more pay and benefits at the cost of our young. That is the union way.

How can you look in the mirror and not be ashamed of yourelf?

Voting in JBPA will not cause furloughs or displacements. PERIOD!

 

[Bavarian Chef]

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[JBPA]

It's too bad we can't post Barger's latest BlueNote.

I wonder if he actually read it before he pasted his fancy e-signature on it.

"Thanks for all you do".