JB pilots file with NMB

[elag777]

[Bavarian Chef]Huh? Why would it need to be a new amendment? They decide to stop the 5% PSP and they do, no amendment needed. What part of the PEA says they have to continue to honor it?

Better yet -- ask the company what they say about this. That is if you can get a straight answer.

Dude, your "I Believe Button" is big, red and shiny. And apparently too hard to resist.

Unemployment at an all time hi....the Dow at a six year low B6 stock down 15% and you guys want to drive labour costs up...great idea. My so called "believe" button is no more than a red shiny "go away" button. I agree areas in the PEA are open to interpretation, so is the need for a CBA. After all CBA's have done such wonderful things for retirement funds industry wide right?

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Look around except for SWA in the airline industry and soon to be UAW. UAW had 300,000+ members they are now down to 150,000...

Unions = Job losses

No protection from anything now in this economy. So far JBLU has not furloughed. This NMB filing has now, if anything, encouraged our leaders to suspend any kind of improvements to our QOL, pay, and benefits until this vote is done. Thanks JBPA!!!

 

[MCDU]

Jetblue is looking like USAIR in the 80's. Lots of hiring and suddenly boom. There will be have and the have nots. Just a few years will make the difference. Timing is everything. It will be like USAIR DOH 1985 or 1988. At Jetblue, it will be 2004 and 2007.
There will be almost 0 retirements at Jetble in the future. So, the only way to upgrade will be more growth, which I do not see.

Anyway, JetBlue is still a great product. If your product would not be as good , you would have been gone by now.

Good luck to all the Jetblue Pilots. With or without a Union.

M

 

[Dizel8]

This NMB filing has now, if anything, encouraged our leaders to suspend any kind of improvements to our QOL, pay, and benefits until this vote is done. Thanks JBPA!!!

What improvements BB? Oh, you mean the ones that JR says they cannot give because we are now in "laboratory conditions"?

I have to tell you, from my personal perspective, that there has not been a single real improvement since I started here a "long" time ago. The last real improvement was in 2002, since then, all the company has done is shift money around, everything has essentially been cost neutral, looked good on paper, but a bit of investigation would have shown no actual improvement.

I like it here, I like the company and I respect Barger, but I also realize, that the time has come to actually have a say in the matter. I am hopefully a career employee, 24 years to go, so I want to see the company succeed. I also want to see my contribution to the success of the company acknowledged. The company had an excellent opportunity with the PCRB, but they completely dropped the ball.

I don't want much, a payscale that at least acknowledges inflation and no one sided changes to the scheduling manual.

The hope that the company will do the right thing, when they have continuously shown no such intent isn't the way to go forward. Hope isn't a plan.

 

[Blue Dude]

This NMB filing has now, if anything, encouraged our leaders to suspend any kind of improvements to our QOL, pay, and benefits until this vote is done. Thanks JBPA!!!

Which improvements are those? You were expecting improvements between now and the time when the vote will be taken in a few weeks? The company has had two shots at "annual" reviews and both were farces. For the last one, they flatly ignored the report they themselves commissioned. And notice that there hasn't even been an an announcement as to when future "annual" reviews will even occur, much less when action might be taken. All that has happened is to discuss initiating a framework to schedule the commencement of a plan to begin to start to set up yet more committees, which even when constituted will be merely advisory in nature. Which similar advice has been repeated ignored in the past.

All this and you blame JBPA? Where have you been the last few years?

 

[Floatplane]

Look around except for SWA in the airline industry and soon to be UAW. UAW had 300,000+ members they are now down to 150,000...

Unions = Job Loses

No protection from anything now in this economy. So far JBLU has not furloughed. This NMB filing has now, if anything, encouraged our leaders to suspend any kind of improvements to our QOL, pay, and benefits until this vote is done. Thanks JBPA!!!

Comparing the pilots at SWA to the UAW is ridiculous. That might be the most nonsensical paragraph I have ever read on this forum.

You say, Unions=Job loses. How? That is a pretty bold statement without any support of fact. I would say that bad management is the true culprit of job loses. Just pick up your morning paper and take a look at the current state of affairs in this country. It is not because of unions. It is due to poor management and greed.

Your last paragraph might be the most comical, you actually think the leaders at were in the process of planning any improvements to our QOL? Give me a break! We have watched our overall compensation and benefits decrease every year. And the fact that we have not furloughed is due to the fact that we have a contract that they must pay by law. Even if they furloughed they would still have to pay us 70 hours a month not to work.

And yes you can thank JBPA because so far they are the only group that is actually looking to improve what you currently have. Jetblue management has done very little. Most improvements have been cost neutral and if you index it with inflation we are years and thousands of dollars behind our peers. Did you actually read the PCRB report? It details all of the areas that we are deficient in compared to our peers at other carriers. If we can have a collective voice to negotiate improvements to what we currently have then JBPA has my vote!

 

[Caveman]

Hey BV,
I tried to quit because Rez is on "autobabble". Please drop the plural form of "Dorks" to the singular "Dork". If you do not, I will continue to argue with him starting with the political rights of the cave man.

Hey! Don't drag me into this! imp:

 

[Bavarian Chef]

"Thanks JBPA!"


Did you mean: "Thanks to ONE HALF of the pilot group (at least) speaking up for their careers"?

Don't kid yourself -- this isn't some small, fringe movement. Your peers, quite a lot I might add, have a differing opinion. If you want to sarcastically blame someone other than management for the NMB filing, don't blame the JBPA -- blame the the guy sitting on your left or right.

 

[StarChecker]

This NMB filing has now, if anything, encouraged our leaders to suspend any kind of improvements to our QOL, pay, and benefits until this vote is done. Thanks JBPA!!!

OH MY GOD, you actually bought into that ridiculous line of crap from JR? You actually believe improvements were on the way?


Unbelievable....really unbelievable...

 

[OurMoney1]

What are the odds this passes? Anybody wanna take a stab?

On behalf of us brown night drivers we support you guys 100%...we know how hard you work. On any given night as we come transcon it is usually only CAL, BLue, and FDX blazin a trail to catch the East Coast sunrise.

 

[StarChecker]

On any given night as we come transcon it is usually only CAL, BLue, and FDX blazin a trail to catch the East Coast sunrise.

Except we're doing it for 1/2 the money as you guys with no Night Rig....

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Except we're doing it for 1/2 the money as you guys with no Night Rig....

And a 16 hr crew day, just like the during the day.

 

[Floatplane]

And a 16 hr crew day, just like the during the day.

Yea it sucks, but some blue juicers still think the company is going to take care of us. It makes me want to puke when I think about it.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Jetblue is looking like USAIR in the 80's. Lots of hiring and suddenly boom. There will be have and the have nots. Just a few years will make the difference. Timing is everything. It will be like USAIR DOH 1985 or 1988. At Jetblue, it will be 2004 and 2007.
There will be almost 0 retirements at Jetble in the future. So, the only way to upgrade will be more growth, which I do not see.

Anyway, JetBlue is still a great product. If your product would not be as good , you would have been gone by now.

Good luck to all the Jetblue Pilots. With or without a Union.

M

You are exactly right. At JetBlue, the difference is going to be huge just between DOH 2006-2007. It could mean the difference between upgrading - and never upgrading. Seriously, what good is a 15+ year upgrade when your career earnings potential goes down the drain along the way?

 

[Fins Up]

"Unions = job losses" is certainly not a true statement. If we don't get crazy and try to vote in a ridiculuos contract that our revenue can't possibly support, we'll be alright. But that's going to be up to us to do the research and make ourselves aware of the company's cash flow.

I'm very happy at JetBlue. I'm a fence-sitter recently turned yes vote. I'm completely against the need for a union, but that ain't the way the world works.