JB pilots file with NMB

[BLUE BAYOU]

I'm senior enough here to understand that the benefits from a union will benefit ME. However, if you're a junior pilot here at Jetblue looking for more pay and benefits through JBPA, you're kidding yourselves... A union will only have one effect after the negotiations are done. A 100% decrease in pay for you when you're laid off. Additionally, when displacements take hold, about 300-500 pilots here will see a significant "life change" when this economy lingers and JBPA makes the tough descisions easy for management... So, I'm all for more pay and benefits at the cost of our young. That is the union way.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

In the top 50%, and I will vote NO. Simple

I'm also in the top 50%. You've made your mind up and so have I.

 

[Caveman]

I'm senior enough here to understand that the benefits from a union will benefit ME. However, if you're a junior pilot here at Jetblue looking for more pay and benefits through JBPA, you're kidding yourselves... A union will only have one effect after the negotiations are done. A 100% decrease in pay for you when you're laid off. Additionally, when displacements take hold, about 300-500 pilots here will see a significant "life change" when this economy lingers and JBPA makes the tough descisions easy for management... So, I'm all for more pay and benefits at the cost of our young. That is the union way.

Three questions:

1. What's to prevent management from making these 'tough' decisions whether or not we have a CBA?

2. In the absence of a CBA how do you propose we address the problems with our LOL/STD?

3. In the absence of a CBA how do you propose we correct the pending 401K ERISA implosion?

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Three questions:

1. What's to prevent management from making these 'tough' decisions whether or not we have a CBA?

2. In the absence of a CBA how do you propose we address the problems with our LOL/STD?

3. In the absence of a CBA how do you propose we correct the pending 401K ERISA implosion?

I got one too:

How would life at JetBlue change for pilots, if instead of 2000 individual contracts, we had 1 CBA? No change in work rules, retirement or pay (for now) but only one contract. One voice. They haven't furloughed under the current "contracts" why would they under a new CBA?

I cannot imagine they would squander so much goodwill in such a way.

If we can accomplish one voice, one CBA (at least until the economy improves), we will be a much stronger pilot group for the prospect of future changes and improvements.

 

[Splert]

Originally Posted by elag777
Respecting the arguements of both opinions requires education into exactly what B6 pilots have now with the PEA. There is more protection in there than you may think.

elag777,

What protection does our PEA provide for our health care plan.

Here is a hint: ERISA and IRC and the fact that each employee at jetBlue must have the same self insured benefits and costs.

1). Nothing
2). USairways
3). Go back to school and learn how to read or other standard elag777 response when he is out of talking points
4). _________.

 

[Longhorn]

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[Indy refugee]

I'm senior enough here to understand that the benefits from a union will benefit ME. However, if you're a junior pilot here at Jetblue looking for more pay and benefits through JBPA, you're kidding yourselves... A union will only have one effect after the negotiations are done. A 100% decrease in pay for you when you're laid off. Additionally, when displacements take hold, about 300-500 pilots here will see a significant "life change" when this economy lingers and JBPA makes the tough descisions easy for management... So, I'm all for more pay and benefits at the cost of our young. That is the union way.

Stop POSING! YOu are a 'no' vote!!

You are trying to scare people with BS!! If we are 300 pilots overstaffed that's roughly $30-50M/yr. If they are not furloughing out of the kindness of their hearts, then they are violating their duty to their shareholders.

Just vote NO and keep it real!!!

 

[J32driver]

I'm senior enough here to understand that the benefits from a union will benefit ME. However, if you're a junior pilot here at Jetblue looking for more pay and benefits through JBPA, you're kidding yourselves... A union will only have one effect after the negotiations are done. A 100% decrease in pay for you when you're laid off. Additionally, when displacements take hold, about 300-500 pilots here will see a significant "life change" when this economy lingers and JBPA makes the tough descisions easy for management... So, I'm all for more pay and benefits at the cost of our young. That is the union way.

How can you look in the mirror and not be ashamed of yourelf?

Voting in JBPA will not cause furloughs or displacements. PERIOD!

 

[Bavarian Chef]

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[JBPA]

It's too bad we can't post Barger's latest BlueNote.

I wonder if he actually read it before he pasted his fancy e-signature on it.

"Thanks for all you do".

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

We have unique airline in this perilous industry. The fact is we have not furloughed when others have. We have not cut pay or benefits when others have-- all with their so-called union protections. If you want to change status-quo, go the path of other unionized carriers, then vote yes. If you want to keep our unique company, ours, we can send a message to the other work groups that we support "our way of life" not JBPAs, then please don't vote.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

We have unique airline in this perilous industry. The fact is we have not furloughed when others have. We have not cut pay or benefits when others have-- all with their so-called union protections.

And...at those union airlines, where they have taken cuts in pay and benefits, they are, according to the PCRB results, still getting better pay and benefits than pilots at B6. Those comparisons are all from "concessionary" contracts, most while in bankruptcy.

 

[Fins Up]

Our payrates were based on the almighty "blended-rate" concept using bid divisors of 80+ hours. How many pilots were stuck in the 70 hours range the last couple of months? Thus the basis for our payrates is bogus.

It's not technically a paycut, but it's not exactly advertised pay either.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Our payrates were based on the almighty "blended-rate" concept using bid divisors of 80+ hours. How many pilots were stuck in the 70 hours range the last couple of months? Thus the basis for our payrates is bogus.

It's not technically a paycut, but it's not exactly advertised pay either.

Even when the bid divisor is 80+ hours, the whole blended-rate concept is a scam.
That's OVERTIME and it's only potential OVERTIME. It should NOT be used when comparing pay rates.

I'm surprised they didn't count per diem.

 

[Caveman]

We have unique airline in this perilous industry. The fact is we have not furloughed when others have. We have not cut pay or benefits when others have-- all with their so-called union protections. If you want to change status-quo, go the path of other unionized carriers, then vote yes. If you want to keep our unique company, ours, we can send a message to the other work groups that we support "our way of life" not JBPAs, then please don't vote.

Hey Blue, you're ducking the questions I posed. Without a CBA how do you propose we address our LOL/LTD/401K problems? Let me answer it for you: WE CAN'T. Words like 'unique', 'culture' and 'TFAYD' are not going to be worth one red cent when your family suddenly loses their primary income and access to medical care. All the Blue Juice in the world won't fix it. Unless we get a CBA any pilot that ends up with a long term disability is FUKCED! Either you don't get that or you don't care. Dude, educate yourself. You've been sold a bill of goods that's just not reality.

Barger and the BOD has a fiduciary responsibility to the stockholders to squeeze every last penny out of this company. Fuel costs what it costs. Airplanes cost what they cost. Infrastructure costs what it costs. They have been using wages and compensation and more specifically pilot wages and compensation as the squeezable point. To top it off they try to make the case that we are paid an industry standard wage when we clearly are not. There is no 'unique' culture. They are operating like all airline managers everywhere. It's time we start operating like other airline pilots and get ourselves a CBA.